Once again im Having MASSIVE issues with my guitars being muddy. stupid POD

[guitarguru777]

Ya turn up the volume .... lol

Thats a huge improvement!

Suggestions - not so much reverb on the drums and bring the volume on the guitars down in the mix. They are really loud over everything else.

Mix your drums and bass first, then bring in the vocals so you can hear them, then bring the guitars up till they are just under the vocals.

 

[guitarguru777]

im really confused as to what you mean by this Guru haha

No time, had some family shit going on and will be most of this week. Mixing session on thursday and I am going out of town till the weekend.

 

[RichMinerva]

wel im not using podfarm in that. im using the 7170 i wish i could get podfarm to work how i want but it never does :/ i literally tried everything,

 

[Shaun Werle]

wel im not using podfarm in that. im using the 7170 i wish i could get podfarm to work how i want but it never does :/ i literally tried everything,

use the condenser mic for the guitars in POD I think the Sm57s sound like shit

Have you tried that?

 

[RichMinerva]

yeahh i did. but no matter what i try my guitars in podfarm are muddy. i even try whacking the mids right up :/

i use the condensor and 0 room and take a notch out at about 4k

 

[Shaun Werle]

yeahh i did. but no matter what i try my guitars in podfarm are muddy. i even try whacking the mids right up :/

i use the condensor and 0 room and take a notch out at about 4k

you know what, just plug your guitar in with nothing on except pod farm and maybe an LP HP and just tweak the knobs (with the condenser) (and screamer) until it sounds good. 50-70% gain, Bass 40-60% Mid (i always have mine usually on 40%) high/treb 55-70 % Presence usually 70%-100% volume all the way up.

Try some different guitars.
Find a real amp find a good tone on that and apply that to Pod and tweak
Maybe you should pick up a 5150 and nice cab like a mesa and some sm57s and try real amps. (for metal)

It's going to take time, but i think you will eventually find a rad tone you are looking for, just be patient and practice. :]

Best of luck. <-- sorry i just wanted to post that and this :Spam:

 

[RichMinerva]

you know what, just plug your guitar in with nothing on except pod farm and maybe an LP HP and just tweak the knobs (with the condenser) (and screamer) until it sounds good. 50-70% gain, Bass 40-60% Mid (i always have mine usually on 40%) high/treb 55-70 % Presence usually 70%-100% volume all the way up.

Try some different guitars.
Find a real amp find a good tone on that and apply that to Pod and tweak
Maybe you should pick up a 5150 and nice cab like a mesa and some sm57s and try real amps. (for metal)

It's going to take time, but i think you will eventually find a rad tone you are looking for, just be patient and practice. :]

Best of luck. <-- sorry i just wanted to post that and this :Spam:

the spam made this all better

 

[guitarguru777]

Ill post you some of the stuff I did with POD over the weekend. The notch at 4k works well actually but don't notch too much.

you issue may be your bass tone. Does the mix sound "muddy" when its just drums and guitar?

 

[arv_foh]

Don't you notice that when you change amps sims it sounds relatively the same? It's not a sim problem it's a source problem aka the way you played the track. Re-track it and play it tighter

 

[RichMinerva]

any joy guru?

 

[guitarguru777]

Ok so this example is Pod Farm with the Catharsis Fredman Impulses. Amp was the Mississippi Criminal with the Tube Screamer model in front see the jpg below for settings. The only additional thing EQ to the guitars was I cut 4k with a narrow band parametic about 2db

I used Jeffs DIs cause the are really good, and the playing is hella tight. I did this to prove arv's point about the paying. If the paying isnt tight everything just turns in to a blur and things will sound muddy. I also left the file in .wav format so that there is no coloration or compression from the .mp3 format. Does this sound muddy to you?

http://www.jasoncohenitservices.com/rose_Podfarm.wav

 

[guitarguru777]

FYI ... I just listened to the track again you posted.... you realize the guitars are out of tune as well.... thats part of it.

 

[RichMinerva]

yeah i know about the tuning i redid the track after. ill crack on tonight and sort it out. i think it may be my bass tone thats causing it

 

[RichMinerva]

could you point me in the direction of the thread with said di's?

 

[HollowmanPL]

Maybe try to use catharsis impulses, they're working very good with L6 stuff.
I find my toneport sounds best with criminal or bigbottom + s-preshigh impulse.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=924869&songID=7927460 - bigbottom
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=924869&songID=8195518 - criminal

Metalpack is the shit but if you don't have it - try to use this mesa recto sim. with impulses

Or maybe try to do the mix again from scratch, making brighter sound?

 

[RichMinerva]

jesus necro they sound fucking massive :|

i dont know why but when i try using the podfarm amps theyre really quiet even when i pump the volume i really dont understand why :/

 

[HollowmanPL]

are you sure input signal is loud enough?, maybe you've missed some knob?

 

[arv_foh]

Does this sound muddy to you?

http://www.jasoncohenitservices.com/rose_Podfarm.wav

The playing isn't but the tone definitely is muddy. Needs moar presence

yeah i know about the tuning i redid the track after. ill crack on tonight and sort it out. i think it may be my bass tone thats causing it

It's not your bass tone. All the bass is doing is supporting the guitars to fill out the mix, and they are muddy to begin with because they are out of tune and not played tightly.

 

[RichMinerva]

well this is my rendition with REALLY tight guitar tracks using the 8505 sim.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3320336/killswitchrose 1.mp3

 

[RichMinerva]

guys?