i need help, i'm going to buy a new pc "mac pro or pc" what is the best¿?,,how many ram is enough for pro tools 9?,,Should i buy 32 or 64 bit system?,,i use many plug ins "superior drummer, waves ,pod farm and many more.." are 64 bits compatible?is 4gb enough for pro tools 9?,,,and last and probably stupid question ¿what andy sneap use pc or mac?any who knows something about ¿processor¿? window 32 or 64 bit? that he uses?
pc for a professional studio
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John_C
formerly Skeksis268
what's your budget?
at the top end most people use macs, less fiddling around with stuff, more recording/mixing. It is often suggested that mac pros are actually pretty good value for money at the top end due to the vast expense of server motherboards.
Also, you don't seem like you know much about computers, so again i'd say go with a high end mac pro.
at the top end most people use macs, less fiddling around with stuff, more recording/mixing. It is often suggested that mac pros are actually pretty good value for money at the top end due to the vast expense of server motherboards.
Also, you don't seem like you know much about computers, so again i'd say go with a high end mac pro.
ahjteam
Anssi Tenhunen
iMac 27" with a quad i7 and max the ram - done. Sneap uses Mac, most professional engineers/studios run Mac.
macs are expensive, but they're where it's at.
something that people often overlook is how *quiet* they are (esp compared to PCs), very useful if you track vocals in the same room as your computer.
although if you get a mac, be prepared to deal with people on the internet that will call you an idiot for getting a mac
something that people often overlook is how *quiet* they are (esp compared to PCs), very useful if you track vocals in the same room as your computer.
although if you get a mac, be prepared to deal with people on the internet that will call you an idiot for getting a mac
although if you get a mac, be prepared to deal with people on the internet that will call you an idiot for getting a mac
Usually those people are the ones who have never even owned one
ahjteam
Anssi Tenhunen
Usually those people are the ones who have never even owned one
I concur. I used to be anti-Mac, until my PC died the fourth time so I finally bought one to see if it was any better, and seriously I've not even opened my PC a single time after that. It's one of those things that is kinda hard to explain until you've used the mac for an extended time, you just get used to the differences when switching from PC to Mac. I'm not anti-PC by any means, but if I have a choice to use either Mac or PC, I would choose the Apple computer in a heartbeat.
timislegend
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in my opinion: your computer should be the most expensive object in your recording "situation."
you can spend thousands of dollars on a computer and still be behind the technology curve... so it is also a matter of maintenance.
i have personally spent almost $10k on computer equipment alone (mac pro 12core) ...then recently purchased a new mac mini (for redundant processing) - (large sample library processing that can be sync'd using simple midi operations and audio routing).
so, no matter how much money you spend at the beginning, you can be sure that you will need to update everything about 6-12 months after the initial purchase.
but... that is just my method; the longer you wait to upgrade your current machine... the more it will depreciate and the less you will be able to sell it for... although, i am jewish so this is a natural gift of mine (to be "wise" with my money)
you can spend thousands of dollars on a computer and still be behind the technology curve... so it is also a matter of maintenance.
i have personally spent almost $10k on computer equipment alone (mac pro 12core) ...then recently purchased a new mac mini (for redundant processing) - (large sample library processing that can be sync'd using simple midi operations and audio routing).
so, no matter how much money you spend at the beginning, you can be sure that you will need to update everything about 6-12 months after the initial purchase.
but... that is just my method; the longer you wait to upgrade your current machine... the more it will depreciate and the less you will be able to sell it for... although, i am jewish so this is a natural gift of mine (to be "wise" with my money)
crillemannen
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Getting a 12core computer seems to me a bit strange when for example Protools isn't 64bit. And even if PT will be released in 64bit then all the plugin manufactorers have to release 64 versions and that will take a few years (irritating i know).
Im totally happy in PC land. My computer almost never crashes on me. If i would buy a new computer i would wait until Intel releases the 8x1 core chip and go with 2 SSD disks + 1 ordinary HD drive for backups. 8gig RAM would be enough.
Im totally happy in PC land. My computer almost never crashes on me. If i would buy a new computer i would wait until Intel releases the 8x1 core chip and go with 2 SSD disks + 1 ordinary HD drive for backups. 8gig RAM would be enough.
TheDriller
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crillemannen
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Ok. So the computer would still be able to use all the cores? Only 4gig ram is limited to 64bits?
Does a reverb/eq plugi mainly affect the CPU or is it a combination of CPU and RAm?
And sampled Rtas/VST such as superior mainly hit the RAM?
Ok. So the computer would still be able to use all the cores? Only 4gig ram is limited to 64bits?
Does a reverb/eq plugi mainly affect the CPU or is it a combination of CPU and RAm?
And sampled Rtas/VST such as superior mainly hit the RAM?
ahjteam
Anssi Tenhunen
TheDriller
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WTF is a BG?
The theoretical upper-limit of addressable memory for a 64bit OS is 16EB (exabytes, one exabyte is one billion gigabytes).
In practice, current 64bit OSs are limited at a lower figure, i think windows 7 tops out at 192Gb, not sure about OS X.
@crillemannen
basically yes, sample-based instruments such as Superior or Kontakt take up a lot of RAM, as each sample is loaded into memory.
Reverbs, Compressors, EQs and such are algorithmic in nature, meaning that the math is being performed on the CPU.
The exception would be IR based Reverbs or things like Nebula, which are essentially "samples" in their own way.
Bear in mind though that very computational process will use both memory and CPU power, so even your EQ plugins will consume some (usually small) amount of memory.
silvermaples
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Actually it depends on which version of Windows you get, if its anything above Home Premium (Professional, Ultimate, ect.) then you can run up to 192gigs of ram.
64 bit systems can handle up 1 tera of ram, it mostly depends on the OS.
Here's some articles on it, probably only interesting to me cause my job is computers
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/max-memory-limits-for-64-bit-windows-7/4254
http://www.webopedia.com/DidYouKnow/Computer_Science/2004/64_bit.asp
cheers
-Cory
64 bit systems can handle up 1 tera of ram, it mostly depends on the OS.
Here's some articles on it, probably only interesting to me cause my job is computers
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/max-memory-limits-for-64-bit-windows-7/4254
http://www.webopedia.com/DidYouKnow/Computer_Science/2004/64_bit.asp
cheers
-Cory
i have 9.000$ I'm pretty confused now.. the mac works on 32 or 64bits¿? or i don't have to worry too much about it?....I want to be sure what I'm going to buy, which is the best I can get? based on my budget?,,, I want to have the best performance possible in pro tools, it is possible with my budget?, I want to open many plug ins and tracks smoothly, I'm interested in your views
because I had enough trouble getting that money,,and i don't want problems with my boss if it causes problems, i'm going to hell if that happens believe me haha
because I had enough trouble getting that money,,and i don't want problems with my boss if it causes problems, i'm going to hell if that happens believe me haha
A 64 bit OS will still run 32 bit programs, that program just won't make use of the benefits of a 64 bit system. However a 32 bit OS will not run 64 bit programs.
As far as I know in regards to protools... The pc running on 64 bit OS could have 12 gb for example. That means pro tools can use it's maximum 4 gb of ram leaving 8 gb for the system and other applications.
Where as a pc running a 32 bit OS has 4 gb of ram for everything, so pro tools might only get 2 gb or something.
Am I right in saying this?
As far as I know in regards to protools... The pc running on 64 bit OS could have 12 gb for example. That means pro tools can use it's maximum 4 gb of ram leaving 8 gb for the system and other applications.
Where as a pc running a 32 bit OS has 4 gb of ram for everything, so pro tools might only get 2 gb or something.
Am I right in saying this?
Again, the overwhelming majority of professional facilities use Mac computers for a reason. And no, it's not just because they can afford it. Your computer is your lifeblood in this business. It's not just a computer, it's an investment into your craft. Choose wisely. Apple is absolutely unmatched in reliability, hardware and software integration, as well as customer support, among many other things. In almost 10 years of owning and using Mac computers, I have not had a problem and will never, ever go back. Mac works both 32 and 64 - it will easily meet your needs, whatever they are. If you get an 8 or 12-core Mac pro you will be set for years to come, and enjoy virtually no issues during that time as well as stellar performance. Lastly, it is well known that ProTools works better on the OSX platform to begin with, so right there out of the gate Apple should be the first choice.
Call me a fanboy if you want, but I would not consider a facility "professional" if it had Windows machines.
Call me a fanboy if you want, but I would not consider a facility "professional" if it had Windows machines.
seems like the macs win here, i go for it,,,its a shame that pro tools only works with 4gb ram :S but it seems like dont needed,,,how many plug ins and tracks i can run on pro tools 9hd before it starts to cause problems?..any suggest about it ? i never used PT ,,i always worked with other daws
Mikaël-ange
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Sorry to say this but stop comparing orange with apple please.
I fact everyone comparing osx/lion vs windows.
Hardware wise a mac pro is the same thing than a pc.
By pc i don't mean prosumer pc but industrial pc like hp xw8400/8600.
Both (mac pro / xw8400 8600) are designed for pro use, have same specs and cost the same price.
Both are avid aproved to run PT hd and both are equally used.
In real world you will find that mac pro are mostly used to run PT in music production studio, and xw8400/8600 are mostly used to run media composer (media composer is the video counterpart to what PT HD is in audio world) in post production studio.
I just speak about both machine, the osx/win thing is an other story...
I fact everyone comparing osx/lion vs windows.
Hardware wise a mac pro is the same thing than a pc.
By pc i don't mean prosumer pc but industrial pc like hp xw8400/8600.
Both (mac pro / xw8400 8600) are designed for pro use, have same specs and cost the same price.
Both are avid aproved to run PT hd and both are equally used.
In real world you will find that mac pro are mostly used to run PT in music production studio, and xw8400/8600 are mostly used to run media composer (media composer is the video counterpart to what PT HD is in audio world) in post production studio.
I just speak about both machine, the osx/win thing is an other story...
