Politics

It's the WORST name I've EVER heard!

It's a bad concept too! Bad product for good money! Crap!

It's as much a ripoff as voting for a candidate party in the government's polls.. You never get what you want..
 
Getting back to the subject now, I think that the current governments are worse than a new start could possibly be. Already, forms of spying and espionage are being brought into our leisure activies (Internet, telephones) as a form of "security", but really is just a tool to destroy any form of opposition to the governments.

Already, in Britain, the RIP act - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act - is invading privacy of peoples emails just to "protec the innocent".

http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/20000023.htm

(The following is taken from Eddie Strattons "EDucation" on www.oneminutesilence.com)

George Orwell's book '1984' is astounding in its depth of insight. And when you read a little about the world of today, you realize that in fact, Orwell was being optimistic.

Orwell knew the propaganda business inside and out, and worked for British Intelligence during WW2. He wasn't a fan of the covert coercion tactics employed by governments to protect their interests, and as dedicated advocate of freedom, he fought against the Fascists, trading his press pass for a uniform to fight alongside the anarchists in the Spanish Civil War of 1936. ‘Homage to Catalonia’ is his memoir of the war in which he nearly got killed for the ideal of freedom...

Anyway, we are usually taught that 1984 is a satirical look at a totalitarian, state controlled world, and so we read it and say "thank GOD that WE in the ‘free world’ have our freedom"...

Well, don't be so sure. Orwell gave us the idea that ‘Big Brother is watching you’. This is a satire of state intervention and intrusion into our most private affairs. In Orwell's book, there is a TV screen in every room, which watches us as well as ‘entertains’ us. The apparatus of the state is called ‘Big Brother’ to make it sound comforting and protective, which is a tool to allow the state to spy on everyone. So, could it happen here?

It already has.

Look at the amount of CCTV cameras we have in the UK right now, which SEEM to be doing a job of protection, but who is the watcher? And who is making sure the watcher is accountable?

In these times an increasing amount of innocent people are being wrongly convicted. Surely, the number of miscarriages of justice should be falling in the age of the video camera? Evidence should be more cut and dried than ever, shouldn't it? Unless of course the people who are manning the surveillance cameras are not looking at their screens for the prevention of crime or the protection of the population. The state has videos of everything now, yet they are framing and imprisoning more people for no reason than ever before. Who is watching the watcher?

Now for the VERY scary bit. (As if the above wasn't scary enough) - the British government has just wildly expanded its own power - it has actually increased its power to a degree which would have made even the Gestapo jealous. They have done this firmly in the interests of 'national security', and THIS HAS PUT YOUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH AT RISK.

"So what unlikely, insane conspiracy is Ed coming up with now?" I hear you wearily ask...

If you live in the UK, the men with guns who keep us in line are even watching you on-line. On October 5th, 2000, it became the legal responsibility of every Internet Service Provider to set up a direct link to Military Intelligence (MI5), through which the government is given access to EVERY email that passes through their wires.

This means that the government is literally tapping your phone line, legally, without needing a warrant, and if you say anything ‘subversive’, like ‘the government is a bunch of fraudsters’, then you can be targeted for surveillance.

Why? Because people like ME organised legitimate protests against the government last year on June 18th worldwide, against the WTO on November 30th in Seattle, and just in the last month against the World Bank and the IMF in Prague.

This law is a form of censorship. It is not about shutting you up though, it is about putting you under surveillance and ultimately in prison for speaking out. The worst form of censorship. Opponents are being hunted and spied upon. Once they are visible to the state, they will be demonized, framed, and locked away in prisons - which is also known as ‘concentrating’ them in camps...

The government pretended that they were cracking down on internet pornography, to protect the children. But as all the men here know (don't we, boys), you usually need a credit card for that stuff. (Trust us on this one girls - ever since we got on the net, all of us boys have been frustrated that we need to pay for this shit!) Of course, kids don't have credit cards, as a rule. I know the deal here, because I have tried VERY hard indeed to get free pornography, and if I can't even get it, then what is the danger to kids with no credit cards? Negligible. And most kids aren't looking for porn in any case, not until they get to at least 14.

And anyway, even if kids COULD get porn for free, so what? I can remember being VERY pissed off when I was eleven years old, because my big brother hid his jazz mags away. The bastard. How can porn fuck us up? Not having porn fucked ME up - I loved pornography when I was a kid; it was entirely beneficial. It made the long winter evenings fly past, it exercised my arms, and for sure, it got me firmly in touch with myself (!). So when there was none about, I was bored and listless.

Surely the kind of thing the government does, like recruiting kids into the army for instance, is worse than exposing them to something which will send them running to their bedroom with a roll of kleenex?

So, the real target of our new law is not pornography, but people who disagree with the government. They are watching ME because I am a ‘subversive’ - as an anarchist, or a libertarian socialist, I am fundamentally opposed to tyranny, which makes me an enemy. So they watch me.

So what is going on? Democracy is supposed to be a system where I can oppose the government and speak freely about my concerns and misgivings. I can make complaints about and against the government because they are supposed to account to me as a citizen - they are supposed to ‘serve the interests of the people’, not the other way around.

But this law comes firmly from a Nazi mindset - the ideal of the National Security State - basically, if the people are critical of the state, the state arrests them in pursuit of its own interests. To convince us that the heavy handed paranoia of the state is necessary, the government says that it has locked up these ‘dangerous subversives’ in the interests of ‘national security’. If I translate this, ‘national security’ really means ‘the protection of the government’.

The first action of a dictatorship is to make opposition impossible. From October 5th, this has happened in the United Kingdom. You are being watched - Big Brother is finally here, and he arrived last Thursday. The goalposts have been moved - we are now GUILTY until proven innocent.

I am not exaggerating the importance of this fascist law.

We need to protest, and we need to protest now. It can be done - and in fact it must be done if our conversations and our private lives are to remain our own property.

First things first, write to your MP.

Here is a site you need to visit, to find about how this affects YOU, and how to oppose it:

http://www.come.to/fightit

Now, I’m going to reprint a story from The UK newspaper The Observer. Read it, then go to the site, and get involved in the fight...

Your Privacy Ends Here

A Bill which is slipping through the House of Lords will allow MI5 access to all our online communications, says John Naughton. It could mean we're all guilty until proven innocent. So why don't we care more?

Free Speech On The Net. Special Report

Sunday June 4, 2000

When you wake on Thursday 5 October next, you will find yourself living in a different country. An ancient bulwark of English law - the principle that someone is presumed innocent until proven guilty - will have been overturned. And that is just for starters. From that date also the police and security services will enjoy sweeping powers to snoop on your email traffic and web use without let or hindrance from the Commissioner for Data Protection.

Every UK internet service provider (ISP) will have to install a black box which monitors all the data-traffic passing through its computers, hard-wired to a special centre currently being installed in MI5's London headquarters. This new mass surveillance facility is called the Government Technical Assistance Centre (GTAC). Who said Jack Straw had no sense of humour?

The Regulation of Investigatory Powers (RIP) Bill which is now before the Lords gives the Home Secretary powers of interception and surveillance which would be the envy of the most draconian regime. In addition to encroaching on civil liberties, the same Bill will also drive hordes of e-commerce companies from Britain to countries like Ireland where their encryption keys - extended pin numbers allowing users to decipher jumbled data - will be protected from government prying. An administration which complains continually about making Britain 'the most e-friendly country in the world' by 2002 is busily making sure that exactly the opposite happens.

How has this extraordinary state of affairs come about? Is it another manifestation of the cock-up theory of history, or are there more sinister forces at work? The answer is a bit of both. For some time, it has been obvious to Ministers and civil servants that British law needed updating to cope with the internet. In an era when online trading becomes ubiquitous, for example, some way has to be found of making ‘digital signatures’ legally valid.

Accordingly, a special Cabinet Office unit headed by Professor Jim Norton set to work to devise a new legislative framework for the emerging world of e-commerce and online communications. The main result of his labour was the Electronic Commerce Bill.

As that Bill went through its Parliamentary hoops, it became clear that some parts of it - mainly the sections dealing with data encryption, interception and surveillance - were so deeply flawed that they threatened to sink the Bill. Given the Government's desire to make headway on the e-commerce front, the problematic sections were eventually jettisoned and the Electronic Commerce Bill became law in 1999.

It was a smart decision, but it left unresolved the problem of what to do about the encryption stuff. The DTI, smarting from its bruising at the hands of the computer scientists who had comprehensively shredded the original encryption proposals, wanted nothing more to do with it. Accordingly the poisoned chalice passed to the Home Office, which knows little of business and even less about the internet, but is endlessly attentive to the needs of the police, the security services and the Byzantine imperatives of official secrecy. The RIP Bill is the fruit of that secretive bureaucratic milieu.

The official rationale for the legislation is that it is required to bring UK law into conformance with the European Convention on Human Rights. In the end, this will have to be tested in the courts, but Straw's confidence is not shared by the Commons Trade & Industry Select Committee which last October recommended that the Government publish a detailed analysis to substantiate its confidence that the Bill does not contravene the Convention. This the Government has so far declined to do.

The Bill has four main parts. The first deals with the interception of communications. The second covers ‘surveillance and covert human intelligence sources’. The third tackles encryption and the fourth covers the ‘scrutiny of investigatory powers and of the functions of the intelligence services’. Parts I to III propose massive extensions of the state's powers to spy on its citizens while the fourth suggests a regulatory regime which seems laughably inadequate to anyone familiar with internet technology. All sections of the Bill have been heavily criticised by external experts and a small number of committed MPs, but the legislation has passed through its Commons scrutiny with its central provisions intact.

Part I gives the Home Secretary the power to issue a warrant requiring ISPs to intercept the communications of one or more of their subscribers. The problem is that the internet is not like the telephone system - where it is technically feasible to tap into a particular individual’s communications link. In order to monitor a person's internet traffic, you have to tap into all the traffic running through his or her ISP. As a result, the expectation is that Part I of the Bill will be implemented using so-called ‘passive monitoring’: ISPs will be required to install a ‘black box’ which will monitor all their data traffic and pass it to the GTAC centre.

The news that henceforth all UK internet traffic will find its way to MI5 does not seem to have yet reached MPs, most of whom don't understand the technology and assume that the Home Office must know what it is doing. Defenders of the Bill point out that MI5 can only legally read the content of communications for which specific warrants exist, which is true. But they fail to notice that the Bill affords no such protection to the pattern of one's internet connections.

In other words, while MI5 may need a warrant actually to read your email, many other people will have essentially unregulated access to logs of the websites you access, the pages you download, the addresses of those with whom you exchange email, the discussion groups to which you belong and the chat rooms you frequent - in short, a comprehensive record of what you do online and with whom. It will be interesting to see how this squares with the European Convention's requirements about privacy.

It is Part III of the Bill, however, which is most likely to contravene the Convention. Section 46 gives the Home Secretary the power to compel the surrender of keys used to encrypt communications data. Failure to comply carries a prison sentence of two years. If someone cannot comply because they have lost or forgotten the key then they have to prove that to the satisfaction of a court. In other words, the burden of proof is shifted from the prosecution to the defence - one is presumed guilty until proved innocent. And how do you prove that you have forgotten something?

Even more oppressive is the Bill's creation of a secondary offence - revealing that you have been required to supply, or supplied, a decryption key - which carries an even stiffer penalty. Under the terms of the Bill, for example, the police could arrive at 4am and demand that you produce such a key. If you were unable to comply and were taken in for questioning, it would be a criminal offence punishable by five years' imprisonment to explain to your family why you were being dragged off.

Civil liberties campaigners are predictably opposed to the RIP Bill. But it is also widely opposed by the business community. Even Professor Norton, the architect of the Government’s e-commerce legislation, describes the proposals as ‘a classic own goal’ that will undermine the aim of making Britain a centre for e-commerce. Encryption is central to e-business, and many companies have contractual agreements with clients for whom they hold cryptographic keys. Under the RIP Bill they would be banned from revealing that they had surrendered a key and thereby compromised the client's security.

‘This is a clear case,’ says Norton, ‘of the futility of government treating internet policy as a national issue when what is needed is international agreement. A UK firm which handed over the key of a multinational client would be vulnerable to a compensation claim in an overseas court for compromising that client’s global security. US businesses are not happy about that liability and will opt to work in countries like Ireland.’

The most astonishing thing about Straw’s pre-emptive strike on civil liberties and e-commerce is that, to date, there has been almost no public discussion of it. The Ministers driving his Bill through Parliament concede that the powers they seek are sweeping, but argue that they can be trusted to apply them reasonably and that in any case the powers are commensurate with the threat from online criminals, terrorists, paedophiles and pornographers. In the absence of proper safeguards, the first argument is absurd.

As far as the second is concerned, nobody has yet produced any convincing empirical evidence that the supposed threats are more than the fantasies of security services and hysterical projections of some newspapers. The internet undoubtedly provides a conduit for criminal conversations and pornographic transactions. But then so does the telephone system and the Royal Mail, and yet nobody proposes tapping every phone in the land or scanning every letter. A terrifying erosion in our liberties is being planned, yet the threat is largely ignored.

Could it be that this collective passivity is because, for most citizens, the liberties that are being eroded lie in the future rather than the present? Most people do not currently encrypt their email, even though an unencrypted email is as vulnerable to snooping as an ordinary postcard. But in five years encryption will have become a necessity.

Human nature being what it is, people will lose or forget their decryption keys - and some will find themselves attempting to convince a judge that they are not paedophiles feigning amnesia to qualify for a shorter sentence. Will they then remember Burke’s warning that for evil to triumph it is necessary only for good men to do nothing? And will they wonder why they had not been more alarmed on the morning of 5th October 2000?

What’s Going On In The Rest Of The World?

Most countries impose no restrictions on the use of encryption by their citizens. The exceptions tend to be authoritarian regimes such as those in Russia and China.

Ireland

New e-commerce Bill makes it illegal for government to access commercial cryptographic keys.

France

The government has recently announced a new policy of totally relaxing controls on domestic use of encryption.

United States

No domestic controls on use of cryptography, though Washington looks enviously at the UK RIP bill.

Germany

Has long been the European leader in opposing restrictions on citizens’ use of encryption.


What Can You Do?

Raise awareness, people need to now that their freedom is slipping away! Make stickers, wear t-shirts, shout about it in the streets!

Write to your MP, that’s what they’re there for! At least they can't say they didn't know.

There are also banners, and graphics, which you need to put on your site if you have one, you can get them from:

http://www.come.to/fightit

Thanks for reading! Now get involved, and let's start some serious civil disobedience.

Ed.










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See what I mean?

No matter how good a public face the government may have, there is ALWAYS a sinister agenda at play.
 
Er.. forgive me for this 'uge anarchist report :P

But.. uh.. you said "discuss", and I'm trying to give my opinions and views of the current governments, and how any new goverments will probably be the same or even worse.
 
Is good to see people realizes they are nothing but slaves at the disposal of their countries ready to be smashed down in 2 buildings or sent off to fight for world domination and does not think of themselves as free. Freedom is lost when the truth is hidden from you.
 
Nothing can be perfect - especially government. But you asked if government works well.

From my narrow-minded seat here in the USA, and my knowledge gathered from our wonderful media system, our standard of living as compared to the world at large would suggest that our government is working better than others that exist.

Perfect - hell no!

Can there be a perfect government? Not as long as humans are involved - our nature and tendencies towards power can only negatively effect an otherwise "perfect" government as defined on paper.
 
in response to metalmancpa, what was the cost of our "high standard" of living? Our riches are stained with blood, this very country was built upon genocide. And now with the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, the government has been given a dangerous opportunity to completely revamp our liberties in the interst of "national security." and the government seems awful hell bent on obtaining usama bin ladin and continually feeds us propaganda so that we stand behind them on this man hunt, when really its just an excuse to accomplish other goals in the middle east. saying this is a war on terorrism is like saying the gulf war was about kuwait ( HA!).
an example of civil liberties being taken away is the unjustified arrest of muslim-americans that is trying to be kept low key, but if you look hard enough, you'll find accounts of it. thousands have been dragged from there homes, had their homes invaded without a warrant, and thrown into jail without being told why there have been arrested. and bush is really pedaling this "military tribunal" shit, which is basically a court where the accused person has no rights, ther is no jury, no lawyers, the outcome is decided by a panel of military officers (who are also the judges) and the outcomes of the trial (hell, even tetrial itself) is top secret and will be held in remote locations, not necessarily in the U.S. do you know what kind of power that gives the president? someone can be tried and put to death for haveing an expired visa and being in the country, and we would have no knowledge of it.
internet spying has been proven to have been rampant in the U.S. even before Sept. 11. pentium processors monitor everything you do on your computer and send it to a mainframe via the internet. and after the attack the government has been searching emails in interest of "national security". the U.S. isn't better, we just have shiny toys to keep our minds busy.
 
Our great world - ruled by our great governments.
Just a preview of what they have caused:

1.3 billion people live on the equivalent of less than one dollar a day.

The world spends 780 billion dollars every year on weapons of war.

4.7 million children under the age of five die every year in south Asia.

An estimated 2 million children have been killed in armed conflicts in the past decade.

Estimated number of people in the world who go to bed hungry every night - 800 million.

More than 90 per cent of the victims of today's wars are civilians.

1.2 million people have died in Iraq since 1991 (because of sanctions placed on food and medical aid).

Cost of America's 21 B2 bombers: 42 Billion.






~~~Here is another article from Eddie Stratton, just to give you an example of the "freedom" the governing powers give us - brainwashing propaganda:


I was doing a bit of reading recently, I found something which I thought more of you might like to read, which will help you in understanding how the media and the government lies to us in order to manipulate us.

I found this today. I was reading a book by media analyst and propaganda expert Edward S. Herman earlier today. This guy is amazing - he cuts through the lies by defining them!

His book, 'Beyond Hypocrisy - Decoding the News in an Age of Propaganda', includes a 'doublespeak dictionary' which is vital if you want to understand what the news is really about. This dictionary is basically a bunch of translations of government bullshit and media propaganda.

Before I go on, for those of you unfamiliar with George Orwell's 1984, (which is not just recommended, it is vital), 'Doublespeak' is the action of using inherently contradictory terms, the misuse of words for propaganda by redefinition. Basically speaking, it is the art of verbal manipulation.

So when the US invades a country, (and there are loads of examples of US invasions - check out William Blum’s book ‘Killing Hope’ for a complete list), the media is full of manipulation to make it look like they are doing the opposite. Certainly, any wrongdoing is edited right out of the equation...

Compare the language - in 1991, Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, and was called the New Hitler by the media. When George Bush invaded Panama, this action was called ‘Operation Just Cause’. The US invasion of Grenada was called a ‘vertical insertion’. This is doublethink in action!

The media said that the troops were sent in not to make war and kill people, but to ‘search for peace’. Clearly, this is perverse, and we need to decode the media so we really understand what they are saying. And we should demand our media tell the truth instead of camouflage it with ‘purr’ words and ‘snarl’ words to evoke emotional reactions or to cover up the crimes of our political and military leaders. So ‘collateral damage’ should really be described as what it is - ‘murdered civilians’, and an ‘area denial device’ should be called a ‘mine’ or an ‘illegal cluster bomb’.

Here are some terms used, particularly in Vietnam, and some used elsewhere, with their translations, which I adapted from Herman’s dictionary:

Aid:
‘Aid’ is usually help for corporations in selling their goods abroad, or subsidies to corporations for setting up sweatshops in third world countries. The other type of overseas ‘aid’ is western help in setting up a military terror apparatus for the repression of legitimate protest (legitimate protest is usually called ‘subversion’ by the government and media!) Here is US official Robert Nooter, talking about ‘aid’ to Vietnam, which was used to terrorize the population: "Aid’s task (in Vietnam) has been to assist the National Police in recruiting, training, and organising a force for the maintenance of law and order." This means that aid was really financing the state terror apparatus.

Law and Order:
Really means ‘Order’, which is the pacification of the population.

Conventional Attack:
Dropping bombs on villages from 20,000 feet.

Bay of Tonkin Incident:
A fabricated attack on US warships by the North Vietnamese on August 4th 1964, manufactured by the Johnson Administration to obtain a blank cheque from Congress to move to a full scale war with Vietnam. Assisted by a gullible and supine Congress, the blank cheque was granted and a war of aggression was escalated.

Escalation:
Covering up mistakes by increasing their size and number. With a sufficient investment in mistakes, their correction involves undue ‘loss of face’. We are then stuck on the Escalator.

Save:
Kill. As in ‘we have to save the Kosovar people’. By bombing them. ‘Rescue’ means the same thing.

Body Count:
The total number of people we ‘saved’.

Censorship:
The sick leading the blind.

Free World:
The group of countries that worships corporate power.

Communism:
Those countries that aren’t part of the ‘Free World’.

Conservatism:
The political ideology which says ‘the Government Is Too Big’. Conveniently, the exceptions to this size restriction are the military, the police and the prisons, which in the mind of the conservative are MUCH too small and so need major expansion (republicans, tories, labour party, democrats - they are all conservative).

Commandos:
Assassination or death squads. Commandos in countries we don’t like are called ‘terrorists’.

Crop Denial:
A Vietnam War program to deny the enemy of food, by destroying the food supplies of the people we are ‘saving’, or ‘rescuing’ from the enemy. Detrimental effects on the peasants whose crops we destroy (such as starvation) are usually called ‘collateral’, ‘inadvertent’, or ‘unintentional’.

Diplomacy:
Giving an ultimatum.

Negotiations:
Giving ultimatums.

Search for Peace:
A PR ploy which will allow us to continue to pursue warfare.

Military solution:
What our governments employ when Diplomacy, Negotiations and the Search for Peace have been exhausted.

National Interest:
Corporate interests.

George Orwell:
A British optimist

Deterrent:
Our capability to attack.

Development:
Exploitation.

Location:
Official instructions on the merits of free enterprise, and the creation of a phobia of communism.

Enemy Structure:
A thatched hut we destroyed.

Extremist:
A government term used to describe any person who advocates enough change to actually have a beneficial effect. This also means anyone who disagrees with capitalists.

Faith:
Our strong belief.

Fanaticism:
The enemy’s strong belief.

Firepower:
The first and last recourse of US diplomacy.

Free:
Used by the system to describe a non-communist. Also used to mean ‘good’.

Free Fire Zone:
An area in which, by military proclamation, there are no friendly forces or populace, and in which targets may be attacked on the initiative of US/Free World commanders. Anyone killed in a Free Fire Zone MUST have been a communist, therefore, according to the definition!

Hostages:
A word we use for prisoners taken by our enemies.

Interrogation:
Torture.

Kill:
What the enemy does.

Neutralize:
What we do.

Civilize:
To kill.

Limited Accidental Damage:
The total destruction of a target, which is officially off limits. As in Pentagon spokesmen said that the Bach Mai hospital and Gia Lau airport apparently suffered ‘some limited accidental damage’ during the intensive US bombing.

Marxist-Leninist:
Designation of a government we are about to attack. ‘Marxist’ shows dogmatic leftist tendencies, ‘Leninist’ shows a connection to Moscow! This designation doesn’t need any actual basis in reality, but is used solely to justify an attack.

Political Fund Raising:
Fighting money with money.

Prevent Wars:
Enlarge the arms budget.

Propaganda:
The enemy’s lies.

Public Information:
Our lies.

The Press:
Guardians of Public Information.

Restraint:
Killing fewer people than we actually have the technical capability to kill.

Search and Destroy:
This was the main US military activity in South Vietnam between 1965 and 1971. Search and Destroy actions took the form of a mission involving the occupation of a village, the killing of all males attempting to run, impounding whoever is left for ‘Interrogation’ (definition: Torture), and destroying all animals, food and houses, ‘to deprive enemy forces of sustenance and shelter’. The remaining population was relocated in what was called a ‘strategic hamlet’. (I shall define this next). Today, we would call search and destroy missions: ‘ethnic cleansing’.

Strategic Hamlet:
A specially constructed settlement, guarded by the US military, which houses the displaced populations (usually women and children) from search and destroy missions. The official line was that these people were under US protection from attack and from subversion at the hands of their own husbands, fathers and sons! (Today, we would call them ‘concentration camps’. Interestingly, the Nazi’s sometimes claimed that their concentration camps were for protective custody too!)

Subversion:
Any activity or protest from below that threatens elite concerns.

TV:
The real American education system.

Vietnam War:
A lengthy US war against the right of the people of Vietnam to choose their leaders, which was fought in order to stop ‘communism’ from infecting America, which was actually 10,000 miles away from the possibility of infection. But above all, buy and read Edward Herman’s book!




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The great freedom brought to us today, doesn't even include the freedom to truth.

Bah...
 
The War against Terror?

What, and you don't think the poor Afghani farmer or grocer isn't terrified out of his mind about an impending allied missile strike??
 
Sullen Jester,

Hell yeah, I'm glad to see posts like this here. Spreading the word must be done. Sadly, Most people just don't give a damn. They are so brainwashed they can't see the obvious and don't want too. They have become mindless sheep. Harmless and doctile. I have bicthed and argued the evils of government and tried to let everyone I know, know that our civil liberties have long been stolen. Stolen in plain sight half the time. I am sometimes met with strong argument but mostly I get "so, it doesn't effect me, why should I care"attitude. I have been ridiculed as being overly-paranoid, misguided, and misinformed. I have finally accepted that people do not want the veil lifted. They are content with the way things are. No one wants to rock the boat. The boat is so big no one realizes they are even in it.

I knew the british government was basically the same as the USA's. Hell, I think they are more connected then most people imagine. I think they are one and the same.
If i'm not mistaken the US gov. has already begun wacthing all e-mails and stuff here. THe carnivore is what the military calls the program that does it.

The one world capitalist government is in it's infancy now---but im sure it will be a reality in out lifetimes. The WPF (world police force) will become the shepherds of the worlds sheep. What kind of chance does a revolution hold now? It wouldn't work the way it use to. We cannot fight something that powerful. Shit, they'd wipe us out because they would do anything to mantain power. That is a governments frist and foremost most function---to protect itself. We need a new type of revolution. Blood and war will not win this battle nor love and peace. So what options does that leave? I don't know. Voting? HA! Protesting? I don't think so.

Well anyway, thanks sullenjester for all the posts and links. The double-talk post was cool and I'm going to buy that book.


Here's a question...somebody.....
What nation's citizens have the most freedom?
I wanna know so I can move there. Don't say the USA please...because if this is truly the freest country on earth then we are all screwed.
 
Hail Eris.

You are right in your post.

I have finally accepted that people do not want the veil lifted

Have you seen the Matrix? You know when Cypher is selling out to the "bad people", because he is sick of fighting? He just wants to be put back into the Matrix, and he wants to forget. He wants to live with the rest of mankind under the veil. Of all the "secret meanings" I picked up in this movie, the one that stood out the most was:

The Matrix = Government.

They're in charge.

I knew the british government was basically the same as the USA's. Hell, I think they are more connected then most people imagine.

The UK is often referred to as the USA's #1 lapdog. A lot of military and unnoticed actions involve these two fighting side by side.

Read this: http://www.thisisforthepeopleinthepit.com/education/milosevic.html it will show you just one case of how connected they are.