nsbm

[Kenneth R.]

What is ridiculous is NSBM share some of the same agenda as the Catholic Church but hide it behind something called The Pagan Front. I'm Pagan and of Scottish heritage and these a-holes really piss me off that they are using "Pagan" to hide behind. Pagan's don't go around wishing they can kill Jewish people or any other race of peoples.

I listen to as much different music as possible.

Laugh them off the face of the planet! There are ways to celebrate your heritage and Pagan beliefs peacefully.

totally agreed with that. i'm just as pissed off as you are when people take MY religion and do the same with it. its a false representation

 

[Botfly]

Mike smokes Marb. lights, GOD, can't you say ANYTHING right? i'm jk

but anyway, all this intelligent talk about something i don't know too much about is making me think to much. thus, i am just skimming and not reading entirely. i'm lost.

as you can see, both contain the coat of arms, and the K design (I'm holding lights in my hands, they have it three times, both sides and the bottom)

thus proves that ALL Marlboro products are KKK endorsed.

 

[deliverance]

im definetly missing the KKK thing, but then again i wouldn't know because i don't smoke.

 

[Botfly]

The thing that goes /\ above the coat of arms. It's red for the marlboro reds, and gold for the marlboro lights. there is 3 of them on a pack.

 

[ChrisEmerson]

Don't be an idiot.

Why is he an idiot? I didnt know what it stood for..

I agree with Trey though. For me, it's about the music. I dont care about the meaning most of the time.

 

[deliverance]

The thing that goes /\ above the coat of arms. It's red for the marlboro reds, and gold for the marlboro lights. there is 3 of them on a pack.

oh i was looking for actual K's, not clan hoods. that's stretching it pretty far.

 

[Kushantaiidan]

I listen to NSBM because I am an aryan of german descent, and I beleive we could all learn something about pride from these bands. I very much so listen to the lyrics and ideals these bands portray, and they have my full support. Looks like a lot of you have no idea what national socialism is. That is no concern of mine though. And I can not understand why so many of you are strongly against nsbm, while you find nihilistic black metal acceptable. National Socialism is about pride in your own ppl, it is a positive ideal. Misanthropic nihilism is a purely negative ideal. The music some of you are listening to doesn't call for the death of just a few inferior races, but demands the annihilation of humanity completely? Hypocrits.

 

[Kushantaiidan]

Nice to see someone with a bit of an idea what they are talking about. National Socialism is fascinating, but most ppl seem to think ZOMG NAZI'S THEY HATE BLACK PEOPLE, with no interest in the actual ideals, the politics and history behind it. Even if you are strongly against national socialism, researching it is fascinating. Some of you may even form an understanding of why some peaple beleive in these ideals.

I dont support the movement, and especially not NSBM; in fact Im a very *realisticly* harsh critic which also allows me to highlight beneficial aspects of Nazism (believe or not there certainly are, as is the case with almost anything).

Any time you are going to criticize something, in this case Nazism, you have to have a clear understanding of what you are attacking first- in your case, are you really critically evaluating it, or the boogeyman/Satan image that post-war (they certainly didnt feel that way prior to the war and even had their own extensive eugenics programs, Sweeden being one) victors have projected. My concern with people who criticize NSDAP is that there is plenty to rail against with out making up imagined targets.

As far as the Nazi racial policy goes, its not the black and white scenario that Western media loves to portray (ie blonde and blue). It is totally absurd to think this. If one researchs it at all, you find that it was a true "nationalist" idea working behind their flawed concepts of biology- They classified 8 or more types of what "Germanic" people where, including everything from Italians to Scandinavians. Even the term "ayran" simply means "noble people", and while to a certain extent the Nazis co-opted the term to apply to Germanic peoples only, its not nearly as rigid a system as many believe.

In that sense it does become more interesting as a possible hypothesis to problem of latitude bands of development- have you ever noticed that technically skilled, planned civilizations generally occur within a narrow band around the earth? The aryan concept tried to solve this, although i believe it is far more complex that some "innate" superority.

Back to NSBM, i doubt any of them have thought about any of this and the thousands of other important issues regarding that time period, as they are in it simply to be kvlt and shocking. THAT is childish.

 

[Kushantaiidan]

To put simply, nationalism is pro-your own race. National Socialism is a pro-view, as you put it. Read books guy, BOOKS AM HELP!

i didn't read anything but the first post. i assume it was just a huge argument (and probably was).

mostly, i have nothing against any views (political, religious, whatever) as long as they are pro-views. what i mean is, i would totally listen to a band that's blatantly pro-pagan. i don't care. i'm pro-christian. from my viewpoint, they have interesting stories and music. i can enjoy music that bashes on governments or other organized structures (like various churches, business, or media).

where i draw the line is when music singles out specific people, types of people, or pure belief to bash on. i don't like music that is anti-christian, though anti-(insert church here) is fine, because the two are seperate things. criticism of organization is fine by me, but criticism of the core thoughts and beliefs i'm not ok with. i'm all for music that glorifies sex, however, if it's homophobic, that pisses me off. bashing US government is fine, bashing on freedom and justice is not.

its a complicated system, but generally: if the band is metaphorically opening doors, i'm cool with it. its as soon as they start shutting them that i dislike what they do.

as a result of this, i end up disliking most BM bands. the one ideology i'm against, even if the music is simply a pro- stance, is national socialism/nazism/fascism.

 

[cthulufhtagn]

The music some of you are listening to doesn't call for the death of just a few inferior races, but demands the annihilation of humanity completely? Hypocrits [sic].

Perhaps, but I suppose a lot of us are attracted to the negative aspect of nihilistic black metal; the fact that the stupidity, greed, and selfishness of humanity is often more than we can tolerate. I certainly don't have much pride in anything I am...not to be defeatist, but I just don't see the point. To me being proud of being white is like being proud of not being bald. What do you want, a cookie? Nevertheless, I appreciate the perspective, the "debate" was getting a little one-sided.

 

[Kushantaiidan]

Perhaps, but I suppose a lot of us are attracted to the negative aspect of nihilistic black metal; the fact that the stupidity, greed, and selfishness of humanity is often more than we can tolerate. I certainly don't have much pride in anything I am...not to be defeatist, but I just don't see the point. To me being proud of being white is like being proud of not being bald. What do you want, a cookie? Nevertheless, I appreciate the perspective, the "debate" was getting a little one-sided.

Have you considered that the pride may come from a race's acheivements? Often, in white vs. black arguements, an analogy is used where things invented by white peaple are listed against things invented by black people. I'd rather associate with those that are attracted to NSBM due to the positive nature of ideals, the self pride, as opposed to those who are attracted to nihilistic black metal because the ideology reflects their in inadequecy at living, and the resulting anger and blame that they throw at humanity.

 

[Shadows Skulk]

Have you considered that the pride may come from a race's acheivements? Often, in white vs. black arguements, an analogy is used where things invented by white peaple are listed against things invented by black people. I'd rather associate with those that are attracted to NSBM due to the positive nature of ideals, the self pride, as opposed to those who are attracted to nihilistic black metal because the ideology reflects their in inadequecy at living, and the resulting anger and blame that they throw at humanity.

Have you ever considered that achievements aren't a function of race? Have you ever considered that the notion of pride and unity might just be a euphemised front for an agenda of irrational hatred?

 

[Ermz]

Touche

 

[Longinus]

Wow. Really nice ownage skulk.

Thats exactly why I cant supprot Nazism either, even though it has some really good ideas.

 

[Botfly]

Have you considered that the pride may come from a race's acheivements? Often, in white vs. black arguements, an analogy is used where things invented by white peaple are listed against things invented by black people.

The analogy proposed here is a rather narrow-minded one, by conveying that superiority is obtained through who "invented" more. Even if there are other analogies to represent "white is better than all" there is no way to believe it without looking like a dumbass. It's essentially not a people that is better in general, because it is insulting and degrading to any race to use stereotypes as the crux for what makes a people superior or inferior. It should be looked at "What have you invented and what has George Washington Carver invented?" Ha, you lost to a black person in an invention contest. Who's superior now?

I'd rather associate with those that are attracted to NSBM due to the positive nature of ideals, the self pride...

Tell me, what is so positive about "Hey, I'm a dumbass, but thanks to the skin color God blessed me with, I can inherently be superior to a people without ever doing a damn thing myself!" This sort of destructive thinking brings upon arguments, then wars, then hate towards those people opposing such narrow-minded opinions.

...as opposed to those who are attracted to nihilistic black metal because the ideology reflects their in inadequecy at living, and the resulting anger and blame that they throw at humanity.

Agree with you there, but you can't assume ALL nihilistic black metal is a result of their own inadequecy at living, maybe it's because the world is a shitty place and all the shitty people that make it that way they'd like to destroy or myriads of other reasons.

Finding pride in other people's (who happen to have, in this case, similar flesh pigmentations and other genetics) accomplishments is pathetic. What does a person who revels in their own people's accomplishments going to accomplish for themselves? If you ask me, it's a desperate way to find personal contentment.

 

[Bambi]

Have you considered that the pride may come from a race's acheivements? Often, in white vs. black arguements, an analogy is used where things invented by white peaple are listed against things invented by black people. I'd rather associate with those that are attracted to NSBM due to the positive nature of ideals, the self pride, as opposed to those who are attracted to nihilistic black metal because the ideology reflects their in inadequecy at living, and the resulting anger and blame that they throw at humanity.

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[deliverance]

i think bambi will get along here well with trey

 

[Sanzen]

im definetly missing the KKK thing, but then again i wouldn't know because i don't smoke.

You should, it's great.

 

[Kenneth R.]

i have no pride for my race. i have pride in myself.

 

[cthulufhtagn]

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