nsbm

[Longinus]

Good thing is, black metal is usually very basic and the lyrics seldom audible, therefore I dont have much interest to begin with.

Solefald is obviously an exception.


To me it's no different than the death bands singing about gore, or Opeth doing the whole murder/death theme. It's just another avenue of expression

I think that this analogy is flawed. Opeth's music is very unpolitical and thus it cannot conflict with your ideological views. What Opeth express is what most bands express just a bit more extreme (Leper, Blackwater etc.).
The analogy works insofar that a NSBM band expresses its views just like Mikael does but Mikael expresses general life.

 

[Julian Zembrowski]

Music is an art, music is enjoyable and also it is expression. The artists are simply creating and expressing their views. I could care less if bands I like rape trees and various garden gnomes as long as their music still is great.

 

[NFU]

To comment on this "scene" (which I find totally ridiculous becuase it in no way mirrors the supposed founding ideology) one would have to have a decent understanding of German National Socialism... which would cancel out just about all of you here. Childish? Killing blacks? NS is not cartoon KKK, it was a very real (and very flawed i might add) political and social movement that is very complex... to dismiss it so easily shows a profound lack of understanding.

Lack of understanding? perhaps....but forgive me if i dont care to try to understand a movement which at least partly thrives on some sort of racial superiority complex. So for whatever lack of "understanding" i might have, could equally reflect your lack of common sense and reality if youre supporting that movement.

 

[The Dude]

Politics and music do not mix. Period.

 

[Ermz]

Yeah, RATM like sux hard d00d

 

[The Dude]

edit: unless it's politics I agree with.

 

[Birkenau]

Hah.

I really don't care whether a band is a nsbm band or not, actually I don't think nsbm should even be counted as a genre, it's a bands political stance, not their actual music style.

What are some nsbm bands though? I'm only aware of Burzum, Nokturnal Mortum, Graveland and Gorgoroth.

 

[Bambi]

wash your hands of such bands with soapeth, approved by fat mikey for washing mustaches!!

 

[Justin S.]

true, but keep in mind a lot of the braindead sheep that follow the movement don't have a particularly good understanding of it either.

Thats what i meant with "I find totally ridiculous becuase it in no way mirrors the supposed founding ideology". Very few, if any (and possibly Varg, i havent read or listened to much of anything by him) people, and especially the NSBM bands have any clue what Nazism is. If a person is a skinhead, it basically an indicator that they havent understood or read any of the "source documents".

 

[Justin S.]

Lack of understanding? perhaps....but forgive me if i dont care to try to understand a movement which at least partly thrives on some sort of racial superiority complex. So for whatever lack of "understanding" i might have, could equally reflect your lack of common sense and reality if youre supporting that movement.

I dont support the movement, and especially not NSBM; in fact Im a very *realisticly* harsh critic which also allows me to highlight beneficial aspects of Nazism (believe or not there certainly are, as is the case with almost anything).

Any time you are going to criticize something, in this case Nazism, you have to have a clear understanding of what you are attacking first- in your case, are you really critically evaluating it, or the boogeyman/Satan image that post-war (they certainly didnt feel that way prior to the war and even had their own extensive eugenics programs, Sweeden being one) victors have projected. My concern with people who criticize NSDAP is that there is plenty to rail against with out making up imagined targets.

As far as the Nazi racial policy goes, its not the black and white scenario that Western media loves to portray (ie blonde and blue). It is totally absurd to think this. If one researchs it at all, you find that it was a true "nationalist" idea working behind their flawed concepts of biology- They classified 8 or more types of what "Germanic" people where, including everything from Italians to Scandinavians. Even the term "ayran" simply means "noble people", and while to a certain extent the Nazis co-opted the term to apply to Germanic peoples only, its not nearly as rigid a system as many believe.

In that sense it does become more interesting as a possible hypothesis to problem of latitude bands of development- have you ever noticed that technically skilled, planned civilizations generally occur within a narrow band around the earth? The aryan concept tried to solve this, although i believe it is far more complex that some "innate" superority.

Back to NSBM, i doubt any of them have thought about any of this and the thousands of other important issues regarding that time period, as they are in it simply to be kvlt and shocking. THAT is childish.

 

[Soldier Of Tomorrow]

NSBM is gay to the bone but great to make fun of. I.e.:

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERIK!
by Nargarotz.
Also: http://metaltabs.com/tab/6499/
What the fuck is the point in this riff? And what is the point in typing it down a dozen fucking times. Not to talk about the pathetic title of the song.

 

[Longinus]

Yeah, actual Nazim is far better than what the media tries to convey.

That Indian guy who did the school shooting, Weise, was a Nazi but that group did not intend to kill or destroy other races. Rather to unite them by being totally seperated. But not wiped out. Germany was a disaster but its not real Nazism.

Right, Justin?

 

[Longinus]

Hey dude, you are such a big PoS fan - Daniel would slap your face for that comment you made!

 

[Justin S.]

Yeah, actual Nazim is far better than what the media tries to convey.

That Indian guy who did the school shooting, Weise, was a Nazi but that group did not intend to kill or destroy other races. Rather to unite them by being totally seperated. But not wiped out. Germany was a disaster but its not real Nazism.

Right, Justin?

What the fuck are you talking about?

 

[Longinus]

I forgot some sentences. Thats what love does to you dude.

 

[Justin S.]

Wanted to mention this because I think it fits nicely here with the topic, and the metal listeners experience in general.

The reception you get when you introduce an average person to demanding or "extreme" metal is very much like the reception to unorthodox or confronting idelogies.

Often you will hear people say about metal, "its just violence and noise, and people banging on their instruments, there are no emotions, just anger, etc". But those who delve deeper find all sorts of things to the contrary; dynamics, beauty, ability and craftsmanship, and passion.

Many do the same with National Socialism: its "evil, childish, moronic, blind hatred, etc." While Im in no way placing Nazism on a pedastal, dissmissive remarks are not commentary on the subject, they are resignation on the part of the author.

What do you guys think about Emperor and pro-fascist leanings?

 

[Maayan]

I don't listen to this music, they don't want me to

 

[Justin S.]

you're right justin. hitler was a great man

I know youre being your inflamatory self, but I certainly dont want others to take that as my message.

Regardless of where you stand, a man who goes from a street painter, to leading a nation of 60 million, rebuilding and organizing an entire infrastructure, and wiping out 10's of millions of people deserves some serious analysis, dont you think? Or would you prefer to sweep major historical events under the rug because youd rather not look at them?

 

[Jon Snow]

I'm not a nazi.

 

[Justin S.]

i mean, NO ONE has really done any analysis on hitler. they never mention him on the history channel or anything. i don't even know what he looks like. he was a bearded hispanic gentleman, right?

Ironically, youre right. Very few serious attempts at an analysis of Hitler or Nazism have been made- sensationalized media products that demonize or lionize are garbage regardless of their saturation. History channel could be renamed "Hitler Channel" and it wouldnt make any difference at all in our understanding of how such things happen. *trigger the machine gun overdubs*