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Justin S.
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Jon Snow said:
The original symbol is very old and can be found in all of the groups that branched off from the inhabitants of the caucasus region however many millennia ago. It is certainly not limited to Indians. And even if that where the case, Hitler reversed the direction of the symbol to create the "swastika". You cant give back an altered symbol that doesnt even "belong" to you.
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Justin S. said:
yes, im sure historians (who do this for a living) have really just been pulling things out of their asses for the viewer/listeners benefit on the history channel. Its a good thing they have such a knowledgable 13 year old like yourself to show them the real truth about the greatness of hitler.
Sanzen
Noonish Is My Robe
The Opeth forum takes an intelligent thread and runs it into the ground by turning it into a barrage of personal insults. Justin is just stating his point of view and a few of you are fucking it up. If you don't agree with the guy or think he is wrong (which, I hate to tell you, Justin, you are - there are literally hundreds of essays/thesis papers/etc by many respected scholars on Hitler, Nazi germany, and the National Socialist movement...hardly written for the sensationalist tabloid audience), state it in a manner that doesn't make you look like a complete asshole. So stop trying to get the upper hand on someone. There's other threads to have a "who has the biggest dick" contest in.....namely the one I'm about to start entitled "Who Has the Biggest Dick Contest."
Kenneth R.
Cináed
i didn't read anything but the first post. i assume it was just a huge argument (and probably was).
mostly, i have nothing against any views (political, religious, whatever) as long as they are pro-views. what i mean is, i would totally listen to a band that's blatantly pro-pagan. i don't care. i'm pro-christian. from my viewpoint, they have interesting stories and music. i can enjoy music that bashes on governments or other organized structures (like various churches, business, or media).
where i draw the line is when music singles out specific people, types of people, or pure belief to bash on. i don't like music that is anti-christian, though anti-(insert church here) is fine, because the two are seperate things. criticism of organization is fine by me, but criticism of the core thoughts and beliefs i'm not ok with. i'm all for music that glorifies sex, however, if it's homophobic, that pisses me off. bashing US government is fine, bashing on freedom and justice is not.
its a complicated system, but generally: if the band is metaphorically opening doors, i'm cool with it. its as soon as they start shutting them that i dislike what they do.
as a result of this, i end up disliking most BM bands. the one ideology i'm against, even if the music is simply a pro- stance, is national socialism/nazism/fascism.
mostly, i have nothing against any views (political, religious, whatever) as long as they are pro-views. what i mean is, i would totally listen to a band that's blatantly pro-pagan. i don't care. i'm pro-christian. from my viewpoint, they have interesting stories and music. i can enjoy music that bashes on governments or other organized structures (like various churches, business, or media).
where i draw the line is when music singles out specific people, types of people, or pure belief to bash on. i don't like music that is anti-christian, though anti-(insert church here) is fine, because the two are seperate things. criticism of organization is fine by me, but criticism of the core thoughts and beliefs i'm not ok with. i'm all for music that glorifies sex, however, if it's homophobic, that pisses me off. bashing US government is fine, bashing on freedom and justice is not.
its a complicated system, but generally: if the band is metaphorically opening doors, i'm cool with it. its as soon as they start shutting them that i dislike what they do.
as a result of this, i end up disliking most BM bands. the one ideology i'm against, even if the music is simply a pro- stance, is national socialism/nazism/fascism.
Justin S.
Member
NineFeetUnderground said:
uh, you mean kinda like myself? Good one.
Your inabilty to even discuss the topic because of cultural taboo only proves my point. For acknowledging reality, or even critically thinking about events of the last century i suddenly become a Nazi, and magically a 13 year old...
Now i know why i only lurk. Later guys!
Kenneth R.
Cináed
i think Justin S.'s point is that NS has some benefits.
i agree this is probably true. a lot of media does paint the all-bad picture. this is an approximation of what really goes on...however, stacking the benefits vs the disadvantages, it's immediately clear that the "bad" vastly overweighs the "good" that could come out of it. for that reason, i'm completely against the philosophy of it because 1. it will never work. & 2. it requires that humans apply natural selection, which imo should not be for us to decide.
i agree this is probably true. a lot of media does paint the all-bad picture. this is an approximation of what really goes on...however, stacking the benefits vs the disadvantages, it's immediately clear that the "bad" vastly overweighs the "good" that could come out of it. for that reason, i'm completely against the philosophy of it because 1. it will never work. & 2. it requires that humans apply natural selection, which imo should not be for us to decide.
Demilich
Remember
One thing I agree with about the NS ideology is the dissapointment that the unique cultures of the peoples of this world are being worn down, destroyed, and replaced by a global culture which seems to have come out of Western capitalism and a Judeo-Christian centred world.
The emergence of the European Union, the globalization of corporate business, large-scale immigration and mingling of races, and a bunch of other shit are drawing attention away from that which is important to people who embrace the NS ideology: history of individual nations, culture, honour, heritage, etc.
These are all valid and respectable things to worry about, and if I was purely of one race and lived in a European country where Christianity has replaced the local religions, American corporations have replaced the local businesses, Western fashion has replaced traditional forms, etc. I might think in the same way. What might differentiate my views from those of National Socialists is the extreme nature of the ways they choose to deal with it!
The emergence of the European Union, the globalization of corporate business, large-scale immigration and mingling of races, and a bunch of other shit are drawing attention away from that which is important to people who embrace the NS ideology: history of individual nations, culture, honour, heritage, etc.
These are all valid and respectable things to worry about, and if I was purely of one race and lived in a European country where Christianity has replaced the local religions, American corporations have replaced the local businesses, Western fashion has replaced traditional forms, etc. I might think in the same way. What might differentiate my views from those of National Socialists is the extreme nature of the ways they choose to deal with it!
^the thing that bothers me about that kind of nationalism, even if it's just "races are better when they're separated" is it doesn't have any kind of factual basis. such an ideology soon becomes inseparable from "non-whites are mud people." not that i'm accusing you of such ideas; what you're describing is really more of a backlash against globalization...which is another matter entirely. i see what you're saying, but i don't think it justifies adopting a fascist/nationalist perspective.
affinityband
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Does anyone smoke marlboro red cigarettes? as some of you may not know, On the package there is 3 k's. marlboro reds are not only killing people with theyr death in a stick products but are sponsered/endorsed by The kkk.
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Look behind you!
Justin S. said:
In fact, it was a black and white scenario, between those who were thought worth living and those who were not. Two stereotypes, nothing more, totally made up and senseless.
Do you really think the german population could have handled a complex system like you describe ? Certainly not.
Ever read the Nürnberger racial laws ?
Sanzen
Noonish Is My Robe
affinityband said:
That's nothing. I have a KKK-sponsored portable CD player. It won't play my DMX cds, though....weird.
affinityband
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Botfly
"I Am"
affinityband said:
hahaha, I have a friend named Reggie (african american) who only smokes Reds and 100's. But it's cool, he's heavy into Pink Floyd and The Stones.
You forgot to mention the Coat of Arms which is their official symbol. It's like 2 lions that face eachother with some crazy thing in the middle.
Yes, and it seems Mikael is a supporter of these cigarettes. As for me, I need to quit.
deliverance
ecnareviled
Mike smokes Marb. lights, GOD, can't you say ANYTHING right? 
i'm jk
but anyway, all this intelligent talk about something i don't know too much about is making me think to much. thus, i am just skimming and not reading entirely. i'm lost.
i'm jkbut anyway, all this intelligent talk about something i don't know too much about is making me think to much. thus, i am just skimming and not reading entirely. i'm lost.
Kenneth R.
Cináed
i love how everyone blames judaism and christianity for everything.
my car ran out of gas. blame the christians!
i'd like to see someone show the benefits of NS because i have very little knowledge of any.
my car ran out of gas. blame the christians!
i'd like to see someone show the benefits of NS because i have very little knowledge of any.
NeverIsForever
Member
Speaking of Mike, anyone know his opinion on this particular issue? Or Mike, if you happen to be reading this and want to tell us... I know I for one would be interested...
I know I for one would be interested...NeverIsForever said:Speaking of Mike, anyone know his opinion on this particular issue? Or Mike, if you happen to be reading this and want to tell us...
He's recording his new album.
Vrykolakas
shebeast
What is ridiculous is NSBM share some of the same agenda as the Catholic Church but hide it behind something called The Pagan Front. I'm Pagan and of Scottish heritage and these a-holes really piss me off that they are using "Pagan" to hide behind. Pagan's don't go around wishing they can kill Jewish people or any other race of peoples. I wish these ballcapped morons with tiny penises would get out of the music making business all together.
I listen to as much different music as possible. I listen to Black Metal, NSBM, Death Metal, Christian Metal etc. as long as it is good music. I refuse to actually pay for a NSBM CD however.
Here is the NSBM forum, sign up! http://www.capricornus.info/phpBB2/index.php
Laugh them off the face of the planet! There are ways to celebrate your heritage and Pagan beliefs peacefully.
I listen to as much different music as possible. I listen to Black Metal, NSBM, Death Metal, Christian Metal etc. as long as it is good music. I refuse to actually pay for a NSBM CD however.
Here is the NSBM forum, sign up! http://www.capricornus.info/phpBB2/index.php
Laugh them off the face of the planet! There are ways to celebrate your heritage and Pagan beliefs peacefully.
My turn.
Personally, being Jewish, I can never really feel comfortable listening to something and saying "Hell yeah, this is awesome," while in the back of my mind I'm thinking "If given the opportunity, these guys would kill me." You know, there's that childish, completely unreasonable bond people form with a band they really like that is usually formed unconsciously, and I don't think I like the idea of being sorta bonded to these bands in any sense. As far as Nazism itself goes, I read parts of Mein Kampf, and either I missed all the exceptionally complex parts or the stuff Justin's talking about is outlined somewhere else. I really must have missed the whole part where he classifies Italians as being related to Aryans. Though I can agree that anyone who disregards the ideology as completely idiotic, I can't say it has too many benefits in the long run either.
There is a tremendous overpopulation of good black metal bands. I seriously doubt I need to listen to the ones that would murder me without a second thought in order to get my bm fix.
Personally, being Jewish, I can never really feel comfortable listening to something and saying "Hell yeah, this is awesome," while in the back of my mind I'm thinking "If given the opportunity, these guys would kill me." You know, there's that childish, completely unreasonable bond people form with a band they really like that is usually formed unconsciously, and I don't think I like the idea of being sorta bonded to these bands in any sense. As far as Nazism itself goes, I read parts of Mein Kampf, and either I missed all the exceptionally complex parts or the stuff Justin's talking about is outlined somewhere else. I really must have missed the whole part where he classifies Italians as being related to Aryans. Though I can agree that anyone who disregards the ideology as completely idiotic, I can't say it has too many benefits in the long run either.
There is a tremendous overpopulation of good black metal bands. I seriously doubt I need to listen to the ones that would murder me without a second thought in order to get my bm fix.
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