Powerslave and some disgress.

[Greeno]

If you feel offended for my statement I apologize from now. If suits you please let's take this into PM. Let's not start 2005 on a low note.

I agree with Wyvern, don't want to start the new year on a downer. Was not trying to start a fire.

 

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

I disagree about Pantera as a whole. Dime on the other hand will have the same impact that Rhoads has had some of today's guitarists...

Though he was a great guitarist I dont think Dime will be thought of in the same way... before his murder he wasn't really thought of as a legend or much at all unlike Rhoads was during his time... that i think is the difference... Rhoads was already becoming a legend before his death .. same way with Hendrix, SRV and others throughout rock/metal history.. Dime will be thought of as a good metal guitarist who was murdered...one of the best in the thrash/underground genre but didnt really do anything groundbreaking... what Rhoads, EVH and perhaps Malsteen was different back in the very early 80's.. what Dime was doing was nothing new.. man i do need to find my Vulgar Display of Power tape... havent listened to it in ages.. I do love Pantera's version of Planet Caravan.. I'm thinking if it's better then the original...

 

[sixxswine]

I don't see this as starting things off on the wrong foot. Everyone has an opinion & if you'd like to share it fine, if not then don't post respond at all. I I don't agree with everyone on here. So what?! I have thick skin, you might not, so don't post...

 

[Trans-Siberian Outcast]

Everyone has an opinion & if you'd like to share it fine, if not then don't post respond at all. I I don't agree with everyone on here. So what?! I have thick skin, you might not, so don't post...

In that case, my opinion is, your comparisons between Randy and Darrell are myopic and preposterous.

Randy Rhoads was a classically trained musician with much more talent than he was ever able to display. Quiet Riot and Ozzy never really gave him the musical freedom to showcase what he could do. Within those limitations, he taught thousands of metal guitarists new techniques on how to write riffs and solos. If he'd lived to go solo, I believe he'd be casting shadows over Joe Satriani, Eric Johnson, and Steve Vai.

Darrell Abbott, on the other hand, we'll never know his potential. By choice, he ensconced himself in a rather limited genre of music; thrash metal. When the only emotions you're trying to portray is anger and sadness, you're limited by boundaries. Abbott also had the advantage of the silver spoon, since his father was a legendary country musician/producer with record companies and recording studios within easy reach.

Dimebag may end up in the "thrash metal" hall of fame, but he won't get anywhere near the "greatest guitarists of all time" hall of fame. Randy Rhoads, on the other hand, is a shoe-in for top ten, if not top five.

To mention them in the same sentence is sacrilege.

 

[JonnyD]

I don't see this as starting things off on the wrong foot. Everyone has an opinion & if you'd like to share it fine, if not then don't post respond at all. I I don't agree with everyone on here. So what?! I have thick skin, you might not, so don't post...

That my friend is why we get along so well ... I disagree with everybody all the time I think Darrel is great and will be mentioned in the same breath as *GASP* Randy,Stevie,Jimi ... and all those other losers Do I think hes better sure but thats my opinion ... I am only one man with my own special views and with my own values and convictions(not the criminal ones!) will I ever bow down to the masses and say they are right when I disagree FUCK NO thats not what metal is about I stick to my opinion nomatter whos panties I twist ... I dont care I have my own lil corner of metal that has saved me from many demons ... is Darrel one of the gods of that world yes! Why? Because I remember being in High School '93-'97 and do you know who one of the few bands that were playing REAL metal that was available for a kid to find at the Shit ass record store ... Before I had access to the wonder of the internet ... it was Pantera a shinning Becon of light in a Dismal awful Shitty ass World filled with the Nirvanas and Snoop Doggy Dicks ... I was an outcast for Listening to them ... it was a terrible time and they helped me through it wasnt Randy,Jimi OR Stevie that got me through my Teens ... I had unfortunately forgoten untill now and it sucks that it takes a Death to make you remember for that I feel like a heal but I CANNOT agree with this Sacrileige shit NOWAY that is 10 pounds of Bullshit in a 5 pound bag it does not matter one fucking bit if Randy was Classicly trained ... Talent is not something you learn its natural Randy had it and so did Darrell ... Whoops Crucifie me now! ....

Please excuse the use of bad grammer/Spelling/Swearing ....... This post is not intended to offend ..but to express my own unique perspective .... I am in no way saying anybody is wrong (With exception to that whole Sac. thing thats Trite)... we are all right thats what is fucked up and totally awsome about music its all in the ear of the beholder ... Wyvern asked who in each of our opinions who we thought would be heard in 20 years ... I stated doue to the fact that Darrell was Murdered Pantera would be one of those ... if you ask another person they may say *Heaven Forbid* Nirvana or Snoop doggy Dick or 2pac shitqure are they wrong no and neither am I, I stirred the shit on this subject on purpose ... like I normally do ... I feel strongly I cant help it .... but if I did happen to Offend anybody I am Sorry for that but I am NOT sorry about how I feel .... hahaha I'm going to try and stop now

 

[Wyvern]

Wyvern asked who in each of our opinions who we thought would be heard in 20 years ... I stated doue to the fact that Darrell was Murdered Pantera would be one of those

a) was a rethorical question. I was focusing more on the fact that the albums of OUR youth had a major impact in our life than the ones we are listening now.

b) I see a contradiction in your thoughts. So Pantera is going to be mentioned just because somebody killed Darrell or because people like the music?

c) Personally this thread was to bring remembrance and why not?, to bet on some albums (we can keep the list and check in 20 years ). I DIDN'T make this thread to see friends getting at each other throath because of two dead guys.

 

[JonnyD]

a) was a rethorical question. I was focusing more on the fact that the albums of OUR youth had a major impact in our life than the ones we are listening now.

b) I see a contradiction in your thoughts. So Pantera is going to be mentioned just because somebody killed Darrell or because people like the music?

c) Personally this thread was to bring remembrance and why not?, to bet on some albums (we can keep the list and check in 20 years ). I DIDN'T make this thread to see friends getting at each other throath because of two dead guys.

I dont know Maybe I am totally fullashit and totally Misunderstood the question ... I tend to contradict myself alot when I get pissed ... Why am I pissed I dont even know ... I just am ... I tried to Apologise somewhere in there for my crap ... hahah aI dont know I dont even know what I am trying to say now .... I guess I have been feeling alot of unfocused rage lately ... and maybe its my age I am an Awful immature 26 year old that should grow up someday ... but my passion is metal it keeps me alive ... I was hoping that some where in my post something would have bleed through and made sense ... Fuck I dont even know what I am talking about now

Tho I am Really Sorry I ruined your thread Wyv!

 

[Mxgonzo]

Getting back to the original topic-- When you are in your early teens or pre-teens everything is new. You start to discover who you are. You get out into a bigger world and explore. With us(people on this board) it was obviously music that consumed a large portion of our young lives. So it's all relative. Right now there is some 12 or 13 year old listening to whatever the hell 12 or 13 year olds are listening to these days and thinking this is the greatest music ever in the history of music.
But for us old school types we've had the honor of being there when metal was exploding. There was a new band coming out every week. The musicainship and song writing was getting better. It got faster and heavier. The sound and recording of albums were getting better. And then we got to see these bands live. Where I live there was a band or two coming into town at least once a month. Most of the time there were two or three kick-ass bands on the bill and you had to scrape and hustle to get the cash for the ticket and t-shirts. It was just a great time to be a teen in the 80's.
But like Trans said we are older now with (ugh) responsibilities. Times like that are never going to be seen again. Which is a good thing because my body couldn't take the partying anymore.

It's funny you should mention Maiden and Powerslave Wyven. Because two weeks ago that fact hit me too. Dec. 21 1984. I saw Maiden on that tour with Twisted Sister opening up. So I broke out Live after Death. Talk about a great memory!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Wyvern]

It's funny you should mention Maiden and Powerslave Wyven. Because two weeks ago that fact hit me too. Dec. 21 1984. I saw Maiden on that tour with Twisted Sister opening up. So I broke out Live after Death. Talk about a great memory!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the post is a great summary of feelings. Is so great that you saw them in their finest moment, and for someone like me who was never able to see them live, this brings a deep emotion

I am an Awful immature 26 year old that should grow up

Tho I am Really Sorry I ruined your thread Wyv!

I'm a 38 immature guy who refuse to grow up and you didn't ruin anything.

You're my bro JD, so is Swine, and everybody else here.

I LOVE YOU ALL PEOPLE HAPPY 2005!

And for the next 20 years I raise my glass high

 

[Greeno]

Fuck I dont even know what I am talking about now

I think we get what you are saying JD. And I don't think anyone was trying to put anyone down for their opinion... I know I wasn't. Sorry I started all of this. I was just stating how I feel. It is however interesting to see that the younger crowed around here holds Dime in higher reguards (his playing) than the older farts do. Just goes to show that it's the music of your youth that means the most to most people... nothing wrong with that at all!!

It's like when I hear someone older than me saw "Clapton is God" or Page is the best guitar player ever...it just makes me laugh!! In my opinion those guys blow. Not that I don't enjoy some of their music but overall they are VERY average. It like we always say around here "it all comes down to opinion", and we've all always been cool with eachothers opinions... for the most part.

 

[Jean-Pierre]

Randy was overrated.

He played circles around everyone involved in Ozzy Osbourne. It's almost like hearing an entirely separate Heavy Fucking Metal song in the midst of generic 80's Hard Rock.

 

[Greeno]

Randy was overrated.
That might be right, because Rhoads played it safe & played stuff that would have been considered elevator music compared to Dime!

WOW!!!!
I some how missed that post until Jean-Pierre quoted it.
I could not DISAGREE with you more on that one Sixx.

I think Dime was the one who played it safe, he was just trying to play tharsh which had been around for years by the time his band picked up on the sound. Plus I still say Pantera ripped off Wrathchild America's sound a bit. Pantera started having a more thrash sound about the time the 2 bands toured together. While Pantera was headed into a heavier sound with the "Power Metal" album Wrathchild beat them to the punch with "Climbin' The Wall", which was released a year before "Cowboys From Hell".

Not that any of that matters, I've just always thought they borrowed HEAVILY from WA.

 

[SickBoy]

Back to topic:

Powerslave is one of the best albums ever in my book!
No wonder they were at their peak at that time...
As for "the 20 years later" syndrome, I don't know really.
I suppose nobody who heard all those glorious albums in the 80s knew how much impact they would have and what mark they would leave. I feel that metal had its creative peak in the 80s, most of the genres were spawned then and almost all was unexplored and new. Nowadays, when a metal band is described as "original" and "innovative" it makes my stomach turn in most cases, since it refers either to prog wankery or "inventing the hot water", with forced non-cliches... Long live the 80s!!!

 

[AngelWitch73]

20 years from now there will be albums I am hearing now that will mean a lot to me and send me in a trip of nostalgia. That even happens with albums I heard in the early 90s like the first NEVERMORE album.

 

[JonnyD]

I think we get what you are saying JD. And I don't think anyone was trying to put anyone down for their opinion... I know I wasn't. Sorry I started all of this. I was just stating how I feel. It is however interesting to see that the younger crowed around here holds Dime in higher reguards (his playing) than the older farts do. Just goes to show that it's the music of your youth that means the most to most people... nothing wrong with that at all!!

It's like when I hear someone older than me saw "Clapton is God" or Page is the best guitar player ever...it just makes me laugh!! In my opinion those guys blow. Not that I don't enjoy some of their music but overall they are VERY average. It like we always say around here "it all comes down to opinion", and we've all always been cool with eachothers opinions... for the most part.

Exzactly Greeno!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew you would beable to sift through the shit and get my point! ... Basicly Just because the gods of my youth are different than the gods of older posters youth doesnt make me wrong ... I do apologise for the Hellbent way I posted there .. but it seems sometimes folks tend to push their opinion to far ... I have been reading the "Dimes not so great" posts for the last couple of weeks and I have managed to keep my mouth shut but I read that Sacriledge line and that officially Pissed me right the fuck off and it still does as a matter of fact ... I took that as a Direct slap to the face and made me feel that just because the idols of my youth were different than others that mine were no good and my opinion of them didnt mean shit .... I had to say something ... you know how I am ..I will stick up for what I believe No Matter What..... I might be young but I'm no fucking kid ... I wasnt a teen or whatever in the '80s so I have no tales of glory from that era ... unless eating Kibbles and Bits counts so just because Randy is a god for some He wasnt the one Representing Metal for me in the DARK ages of the '90s .... its hard to explain if you were not in the thick of it ... In a way this DOES tie into the thread maybe not the way Wyv meant it to but it does .... Vulgar Display Was my Powerslave .... so in conclusion please respect my gods and I will respect yours

 

[JonnyD]

They borrowed heavily from Exhorder.

Everybody Borrows Heavily from Everybody else that is the nature of music .... ppl seem to like to single out Pantera when it comes to that .... I mean Fuck Metallicas Killem all was a complete Rip-off of NWOBHM doesnt make it anyless of a classic album

 

[Igor_Cavalera]

For what it's worth JD I think Dime was an amazing guitarist, I'll definately be listening to him in 20 years and he would definately make my top ten guitarists. But Randy is my number one.

And I know exactly what it's like to be the only metalhead at high school. (There are a couple of others but they listen to some real metal and some shit as well)

 

[Greeno]

you know how I am ..I will stick up for what I believe No Matter What.....

Hell yeah! I expect nothing less from you... that's why I respect you, along with the other regs on this board. We speak our minds and debate a little and move on. If we always agreed with eachother it would get boring around here wouldn't it?

 

[Trans-Siberian Outcast]

I have been reading the "Dimes not so great" posts for the last couple of weeks and I have managed to keep my mouth shut but I read that Sacriledge line and that officially Pissed me right the fuck off and it still does as a matter of fact ...

LOL, I just realized that it was my post that flamed you, JonnyD! I had a hard time deciphering that post when I read it the other day, I guess. I am sorry to enrage you, but I still stand strong on my sacrilege statement. That's fine that you feel so passionate about Darryl. It's great, in fact. But your emotions cloud your judgement. Looking at it from a purely logical standpoint (and from the standpoint of future generations who have no emotional ties to either man), Randy was constantly pushing the envelope while Dime just kinda did his thrash thing, never straying far from the path ahead. To me, that puts these two dead guys in completely different categories.

Randy belongs in the category with Vai, Malmsteen, and Satriani.

Dimebag belongs in the category with Iommi, Mustaine, and other guitarists who just don't think outside the box...they're content to play the same kind of music over and over, good though it may be.

Again, sorry for getting you hopping mad :hotjump: but that's just my opinion. Obviously, yours differs! Please relax and have a on me!

Oh, and you definitely have my sympathies if your heydey was during the 90s. The American music scene was a drab landscape during that decade and I do admit that Pantera was one of the few shining gems of old school metal. Thank God for the Internet!

 

[Greeno]

Randy belongs in the category with Vai, Malmsteen, and Satriani.

Dimebag belongs in the category with Iommi, Mustaine, and other guitarists who just don't think outside the box...they're content to play the same kind of music over and over, good though it may be.

See it all comes down to opinions because I completely disagree with you also...

If anyone I would say Iommi and Rhoads are in the same category, both very innovative (no one was playing like Iommi in the early 70's). As for Vai, Malmsteen and Satriani.... BORING!!!!!!! All wank and no heart. I do like some of their music but it gets VERY tiresome after a while. Of the 3 I like Vai alot but even he bores me after a while.

Once again this is all opinion but it's cool to see how we all hear things differently.

Man, have we fucked this thread up or what?! Sorry Wyvern. Maybe we should start a new thread if we want to argue about... I mean discuss this some more.