greyskull
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Preamp Test: Crane Song Digi 002 Focusrite
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kaomao
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AdamWathan
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in comparison to the spider one, it is.
actually, it's even crappy compared to the focusrite
Yeah the 002 pre really does suck compared to both of those, and I'm not usually one to jump on the boutique gear bandwagon :/
That being said, I would be totally happy with the Octopre in comparison (actually am happy with mine aside from the lack of pads!) to the 002 and the marginal difference between the Octopre and Spider isn't enough to have me gassing for a Crane Song. Sounds great though!
Mikaël-ange
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Thanks for this test but sorry if my post turn into typical gearslutz replying
How have you set each pre? Odbvu I suppose but imo isn't a pre test but more a pre/ADC test...
I suppose that this test had to be a real ordeal for match all ADC to same unity gain...
I'm really surprised by this because I try Mytek converter myself and this best eat my multiface in 2 seconds. Same with 192. But of course isn't really direct if you listen both clip with digi02
Of course if you thinked it was like night and day between converter, isn't true with that kind of test. Try with 1khz sine wave test, loop test for get a proper opinion about this
Don't worry btw, isn't an attack
Edit: oops, just see you speak about mytek96 and I only tryed mytek192
How have you set each pre? Odbvu I suppose but imo isn't a pre test but more a pre/ADC test...
I suppose that this test had to be a real ordeal for match all ADC to same unity gain...
I'm really surprised by this because I try Mytek converter myself and this best eat my multiface in 2 seconds. Same with 192. But of course isn't really direct if you listen both clip with digi02
Of course if you thinked it was like night and day between converter, isn't true with that kind of test. Try with 1khz sine wave test, loop test for get a proper opinion about this
Don't worry btw, isn't an attack
Edit: oops, just see you speak about mytek96 and I only tryed mytek192
Well i tried to match the gain on every preamp. It was set around 1 o clock. So enough gain to get the preamps to colour the sound. It was just meant to be a quick test, as i wrote earlier im gonna do a drum test and vocals, see how they all sound when you get some fast transient into the box
Yeah i tried the Mytek DAC96, and was kinda disapointed, but i do belive that the Myteks top of the line gear makes allot more difference, i just felt that it wasnt worth 1000$.
Yeah i tried the Mytek DAC96, and was kinda disapointed, but i do belive that the Myteks top of the line gear makes allot more difference, i just felt that it wasnt worth 1000$.
i'm SO looking forward to further comparisons man....
as for the converter issue....well, i know you're a big fan of your yamahas, but having had them here side by side with my new adam p11a's i can safely say that they definitely hide nuances.
obviously, a converter upgrade won't make a massive difference in sound, but for example, when upgrading from the profire 610 to the rme fireface, i instantly thought the highs were crisper, the lows a bit clearer, and most importantly the stereo image was much more defined and detailed.
i can imagine that with the mytek vs. the digi 002 it'll be mostly the imaging that's improved.
unfortunately, i found the hs80m's imaging to be one of their main weaknesses.
as for the converter issue....well, i know you're a big fan of your yamahas, but having had them here side by side with my new adam p11a's i can safely say that they definitely hide nuances.
obviously, a converter upgrade won't make a massive difference in sound, but for example, when upgrading from the profire 610 to the rme fireface, i instantly thought the highs were crisper, the lows a bit clearer, and most importantly the stereo image was much more defined and detailed.
i can imagine that with the mytek vs. the digi 002 it'll be mostly the imaging that's improved.
unfortunately, i found the hs80m's imaging to be one of their main weaknesses.
::XeS::
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What about the Spider connection? It has an adat port if I'm not wrong...so do you connect it to the 002 via adat?
It's not a chain of 2 A/D converter this way?
It's not a chain of 2 A/D converter this way?
Correct me if im wrong
But if you connect the Spider through your ADAT on your Digi002 you immediately use the Spider's A/D??
Well im a fan of my Yamahas because i know they are great at that price, but i am sure if i get a couple of Klein+Hummel etc. maybe i would have heard more difference between the converters, but i felt that there is allot of things you can spend your money on before upgrading your converters
Cheers
::XeS::
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Ahaha you're right.... I misunderstood myself.
It's like the octopre...the A/D is in the adat "module"
Sorry
It's like the octopre...the A/D is in the adat "module"
Sorry
kaomao
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in comparison to the spider one, it is.
actually, it's even crappy compared to the focusrite
No it isn't!
want a punch fight, 1800 style
obviously
the point i was trying to make is, one of the things you should upgrade first, is your monitoring.
the yamahas are undoubtably stellar for the price, but with a signal chain like the one you're working with, i think you'd really benefit from more detailed and revealing monitors.
sprack
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Yeah let's throw in another controversial topic!
http://recordinghacks.com/2009/08/31/black-lion-audio-mod-comparison/
sprack
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Ouch, I've never heard that a stock 002 was noted for its 'articulation'. Way to ruin the dream.
Yeah let's throw in another controversial topic!
http://recordinghacks.com/2009/08/31/black-lion-audio-mod-comparison/
Mikaël-ange
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Well i tried to match the gain on every preamp. It was set around 1 o clock. So enough gain to get the preamps to colour the sound. It was just meant to be a quick test, as i wrote earlier im gonna do a drum test and vocals, see how they all sound when you get some fast transient into the box
Yeah i tried the Mytek DAC96, and was kinda disapointed, but i do belive that the Myteks top of the line gear makes allot more difference, i just felt that it wasnt worth 1000$.
Best way for a pre comparison are simply to run each pre to same converter
About converter, like I already say before; isn't like night and day between converter but you could be surprised with different test.
Mytek are awesome in therm of hardware insert, latency or cliping for exemple. Specially design for that (0dbvu=15dbfs factory setting for exemple).
Try a little test:
-loop a stereo wave file (out>in) with each converter
-compare back with non bounced track
-made your opinion
Of course a monitor upgrade would be great according to gear you use but if I can ear difference with my yammy HS50, you can on your HS80
For exemple I do a little converter test a couple of week before between firepod and multiface and difference was really important imo
Firepod AD/DA
Multiface AD/DA
Here the chain:
-Firepod DA>radial pro rmp>TS>recto>1960A>firepod pre>firepod AD
-Multiface DA>radial>TS>recto>1960A>firepod pre>multiface AD
Correct me if im wrong
You are totally right
Best way for a pre comparison are simply to run each pre to same converter
Yeah i thought about that, but when for example the A/D is included in the package as in the Spider case, is it not fair to use the spiders a/d?? That was one of the reasons i bought it.. the complete package
Glenn Fricker
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That renders the test irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.... it's not a preamp comparison, but a performance comparison.
To record a true preamp shootout, you'd have to use the same mics, converters & performance... ...only changing preamps from track to track. ...AND you'll have to level match as well.
If you reamped, you might be a little bit shocked by how little difference there is between preamps.
Here's a shootout I did a few years ago:
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/equipment/331871-preamp-shootout.html#post6486533
MetalJonesy
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id agree with glen here, im gnna be doing some reamping tomorrow, gnna use the art pro mpa in a few different tube saturation modes, the 002 and the MOTU 8 pre and see what results i get!
