quick defense of ST ANGER

St Anger is the worst music I have heard next to rap and pop. I cant believe someone would even let them record it in there studio. Pure shit at its finest.

And Dem.... I have great fucking news for you but I cant post it just incase it does not happen.... think Demilich and that is all I can give you because I dont want to post it and start rumors.
 
Bands evolve just like people. Some for the better, some for the worse.
Metallica for the worse. Thankyou, point made.
VERY few bands can pull off not changing, and if they do, their fanbase probably gets less and less each passing year.
They certainly didn't pull off changing either, so why not quit? Then you don't get the fanbase problems either.

As far as Metallica fans being idiots, I think that is a very idiotic statement in itself.
Metallica are on Kerrang. Of course a high percentage of their fans are idiots.

I don't know about you, but I enjoy all kinds of music. I am not so shallow minded to hole myself up in one genre of music. Half of the bands out there have probably at one time or another been influenced by Metallica.
Could you BE more irrelevant?

I agree the St. Anger sounds like shit. I beleive they achieved what they set out to do, be it good or bad.
You say 'good or bad' having just confirmed that it is 'bad'. Make your mind up.

Hasn't anyone here ever fucked up and said, "Whoa, I won't do that again. Maybe their next album will be different, more hardcore like their old stuff. What then? Will they have sold out again to the popular vote? I believe those who don't like them now never will, and there is nothign that will change that.
Personally, I dislike St Anger because it sounds worse than my grandad having an orgasm. If their next album is good, I'll buy it, I'll openly praise it, I won't slate the band for releasing it. I will, however, continue slating them for releasing the pile of excrement that is St Anger.

Even if they wore face paint and ran around in all black cloths singing medleys about Norse Gods and waving swords and having 20 solo's in each song, never repeating a chord throughout the whole song, it wouldn't change your opinion.
Yeah, because those are the things that make music good. :err:

Who cares if they cut thier hair
I don't.

and chilled out a little.
You mean 'started sucking'?

If someone else made these albums, I sstill would have bought them. I like the music. And ultimatly that is what it should be about, the music.
If you believe that the music you like is 'shit', that just shows that you don't value your own tastes, and probably have low self-esteem generally. Or do you just like St Anger because your friends do?

If you don't like it, don't listen to it and shut the fuck up.
That's fair enough. But I'm not going to hold back if someone asks for my opinion.

Everyone has their opinions and that is fine, but to those of you that are all ass-hurt about them changing, get off the damn soap box and get on with your life
I maintain that I'm, as you so cleverly put it, 'ass-hurt' because they deteriorated into shite, not just because they changed. If a band whose last 3 albums have been great, release an album that sounds like Avril Lavigne, will you embrace it just because it's a 'change'? If so, you're an imbecilic crotch-pheasant.
 
demiurge you fit your symbol very well -

as for me, i cant NOT take into consideration all that metallica have done -

its like your mother - your mother pisses you off, but you still love her, cuz shes your mother - you owe her your life -

a whole lot of what we listen to today we owe to metallica, as do the bands that make said music -

i dont think they should put out material they dont believe in (ie. anyone who has pushed an album out (god, rod stewarts recent ballroom release is the only one that comes to mind, sorry) just to have product out there -

but if THEY believe in it enough to put their name on it, then let them have it -

i dont like every song on practically ANY album i own - for every "far beyond driven" there is a "planet caravan" that i cant stand -

all im saying is, dont hop on the bandwagon of knocking metallica, just becuase you disagree with some of the decisions theyve made - they were THEIR decisions to make, not yours - if they are mistakes in your opinion, so be it - but dont fucking rag just to have something to say - silence is so much more appreciated -

ps. yes, the drum sound is an aquired taste - ok, fuck the CD, listen to the DVD a few times while youre working out or doing dishes or whatever, and you may just surprise yourself into liking some of it -
 
Hehe. These metallica threads always bring out the beast in metalheads. There must be a million ones just like this. It is somewhat amazing that here we are, 20 years later still arguing about this band. Shows the amount of emotion that this band still commands.

I stand by my comments above. They abandoned their core group of fans and went for the corporate dick sucked cash, which they certainly got in abundance. They are a now just a marketing machine like Kiss and Britany Spears. Anyone that still believes that they are true to the music and the fans is a complete moron. Sure you can say the same for many bands, but they are the most glaring example.
 
Metallica is marketing just like Britney Spears. Atleast Britney Spears is hot.

WTF does Metallica do for anyone besides retards liking St Anger. They dont know it sucks balls after all they are retards.
 
Q :who in here ever bashes deicide
A : 70%
AA: but than again that 70% basicly nagg on deicide becuse of bentons ideoligy. wich is fine by me( even tho ima huge deicide fan) everyone has their own opinion even tho most just follow what other people say.
and there is no use defending st.anger to a crowd that dont even care about what your preaching kid.
 
Well I'll agree about Metallica's drumming, the production was flat and boring for them up until Justice and Lars was never good at the faster parts, like Disposible Heroes andDyers Eve.

Vocals, yeah they are pretty bad, especially some parts in Kill Em All. They improved though and I never minded them, I actually liked them. May be shitty taste, but I don't care, I'll enjoy what I enjoy and you enjoy what you enjoy, seems fair enough to me.
 
Demiurge said:
Intelligent users, stop posting in this topic. The idiots have been demolished, but they insist on rolling around in their own excrement. Just let them.

I agree, and this is my last post, though I doubt that any one has been demolished, that is just wishful thinking on your part. This topic is one that will live for a very long time, though it should have died off long ago. Concerning the comments I made, well, they probably were a bit off hand. I was going to explain myself, in fact I just deleted the whole damn response because ultimately it wouldn't have mattered. I have a hard time restraining myself whenever I see a post like this, because anyone who does favor St. Anger usually gets verbally thrashed in the form of immature, childish name calling and a blatant lack of intellegence. We will continue to support Metallica, no mattter what your opinion. Because ultimately it doesn't matter either.
 
LuminousAether said:
No, Lars Ulrich is undeniably one of the worst drummers of all time. There's no doubt about that.

I agree!!!

Just like i said before - only the first 4 metallica albums are good, all the rest suck big time.
Since that fuckin rob rock came to metallica they became a mtv pop band - making music just for the money
 
I love Metallica and EVERYTHING that they do. I've said it before and I'll say it again, what you people think here doesn't mean shit to me. Metallica is my favorite band of all time and will continue to be for the rest of my life.
 
megamich said:
I agree!!!

Just like i said before - only the first 4 metallica albums are good, all the rest suck big time.
Since that fuckin rob rock came to metallica they became a mtv pop band - making music just for the money

Black album was still good and S&M had its moments, as did Garage Inc.
 
I don't want to contribute to the clusterfuck that is this discussion, but I'd like the clear up a popular misconception. That being that Metallica had some great influence on metal. Slayer was the band of influence, they pioneered the use of dissonant intervals in metal. This innovation was the beginning of an entire subgenre. On the other hand, Metallica still used the open harmony of Iron Maiden and the other bands they grew up covering. Venom introduced the idea of black metal, and other Euro bands refined it. Bathory was particularly influential by innovating trem-picking and shrieked vocals, both mainstays. Metallica influenced only bay area wannabes.
 
Demiurge i totally agree with your short history.

One thing about metallica that i wish other bands would follow, is that they always put the drums and the bass(with cliff- then it was all lars) really high in the production. I think the primal beats, however inadequate they were, were a big reason for metallica's success. I have often wondered why more bands other than slayer, didnt mix the drums really high, and instead focused on the guitars-and lets face it the average joe relates more to a primal beat, than a complex guitar solo.
 
i can bash metallica as much as id like .. who are you to say i cant?

they should have to buy back all the copies of load, reload and st.anger they sold to ppl who hated the album, then ill stop "bashing" them. the release of st anger was not for its musical merit. even metallica know it sucks. go to a show and see what percentage of songs off it are played. its release was probably to fund hetfield's next house.

(not that i bought any of these albums)

if you produce crap, expect to cop it - end of story.