Slam me if you wish, but some radio rock jams !! Metal is on the way up. Hard rock (without the rap stuff) is becoming popular and some of those bands are pretty good.
Bryant
Bryant
Radio rock ?
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urinalcakemix
man who plays drum
Its a matter of time before some good music makes it back on the radio.
I REALLY hope record companies start putting some life into bands, ala giving them good runs and not one album with a shitty deal.
I REALLY hope record companies start putting some life into bands, ala giving them good runs and not one album with a shitty deal.
kittybeast
Member
are you talking am/fm radio or like satellitte internet radio?
We have a great Indie station here but there signal is very weak and I can only pick them up on cloudy days. The classic rock station is okay. S.S.D.D. but when Priest was in town...you heard Priest. The bummer is on the Two for Tuesday, same songs all the time.
We have a great Indie station here but there signal is very weak and I can only pick them up on cloudy days. The classic rock station is okay. S.S.D.D. but when Priest was in town...you heard Priest. The bummer is on the Two for Tuesday, same songs all the time.
urinalcakemix
man who plays drum
Is to be expected, radio stations are too afraid to not play whats trendy. What I wouldn't give for just 2 hours of me on mainstream radio to play what I wanna play and kick ass. I would rule.
Kenneth R.
Cináed
i have a theory. it goes like this:
when someone mentions the 60s, you immediately get an image of the era in your mind. protestors, peace activists, flowers and sex, the beatles and woodstock... when someone mentions the 70s, the same thing happens. the 80s as well. there is a clear majority image of each of these time periods when the popular culture had a synchronous calling and dream. when the 90s rolled around, this was still present but losing its organization. when someone mentions the 90s, there is much less of an "image" that immediately comes to mind. the final blow to culture came with the millennium. a sudden urge pushed society and advertising to seek out what is "new" and "improved". the image of the 00's is "new" tech, advancement, all-in-ones, whatever is the better, faster, stronger thing than what used to be. however, since this is a variable and not a constant, it fractures and the entire structure has collapsed into the void of its nature. thus, since desperately clawing our way towards what's "new and better" failed, society and corporations stand by their tried-and-tested oldies. steel for plastic, classic rock instead of boybands, faded jeans instead of custom styles. everywhere you look now, what's popular is what is "vintage". that which is old and that which was once great. since we've lost our identity, we steal from the past. that 70's show. surfing. skateboarding. the reunions and returns of black sabbath, iron maiden, motley crue, journey, aerosmith, the rolling stones, pink floyd and led zeppelin. crushed by this demand for their glory days favorites, the radio stations, i predict, will and must play good radio rock once more. and with it in the spotlight, new bands have already begun to breathe life into the old genre.
when someone mentions the 60s, you immediately get an image of the era in your mind. protestors, peace activists, flowers and sex, the beatles and woodstock... when someone mentions the 70s, the same thing happens. the 80s as well. there is a clear majority image of each of these time periods when the popular culture had a synchronous calling and dream. when the 90s rolled around, this was still present but losing its organization. when someone mentions the 90s, there is much less of an "image" that immediately comes to mind. the final blow to culture came with the millennium. a sudden urge pushed society and advertising to seek out what is "new" and "improved". the image of the 00's is "new" tech, advancement, all-in-ones, whatever is the better, faster, stronger thing than what used to be. however, since this is a variable and not a constant, it fractures and the entire structure has collapsed into the void of its nature. thus, since desperately clawing our way towards what's "new and better" failed, society and corporations stand by their tried-and-tested oldies. steel for plastic, classic rock instead of boybands, faded jeans instead of custom styles. everywhere you look now, what's popular is what is "vintage". that which is old and that which was once great. since we've lost our identity, we steal from the past. that 70's show. surfing. skateboarding. the reunions and returns of black sabbath, iron maiden, motley crue, journey, aerosmith, the rolling stones, pink floyd and led zeppelin. crushed by this demand for their glory days favorites, the radio stations, i predict, will and must play good radio rock once more. and with it in the spotlight, new bands have already begun to breathe life into the old genre.
kittybeast
Member
Silent Song said:
I do hope your right. But Clear channel has all ready proven that if they don't like the music they won't play it. and you know if Clear Channel owns it chances are most will stay pop and no metal. time will tell I suppose
TheWhisper
Cobra Kai Never Dies
I usually only listen to talk radio...news/political/sports talk. If I listen to music, I listen to cds, so I really don't know what their playing on the radio these days.
Force10
Member
Silent Song said:
When did that happen??
Other than that, I think you're comment was very, very insightful.
Kenneth R.
Cináed
Kenneth R.
Cináed
if the masses tell them to go screw themselves with a flower, they will. clear channel may be a huge corp, but without listeners, they're empty radio waveskittybeast said:
kittybeast
Member
Silent Song said:
so what your essentialy saying is that the masses control what Clear Channel plays...so if we strengthen our forces maybe soon our music will once rule again??? Sounds damn fine with me!
Mephistopheles
The Answer You Seek
Silent Song said:
I can dig some of that... There is also the fact that technology is so much more advanced just with computers and the internet alone that when added to the fact that we have a lot more options not everybody is going to like the same thing and thus we don't all get these cultural images for the modern eras. No band will ever again be as big as the Beatles for this reason. It's also easy to get overwhelmed with all the options. Hearing all your new music on the radio is the lazy way out...
I am not sure if any of this is coherant and I have a lot more thoughts buzzing around in my head that I can't put together. It's 3:30 in the morning and I am off to bed.
kittybeast said:
I am talking about new radio rock even on the shitty ass clear-channel stations. As opposed to their being really "metal" it's more like a hard rock/metal hybrid ala AC/DC. Nickelback is a good example. I have seen them picked on before and thought their "hits" were ok, though nothing great, but my wife liked them so I bought "The Long Road." They are pretty heavy with guitar solos and even some double bass. The biggest problem with new rock is lyrical content. It's teen angst or bad relationship stuff often. Nickelback is all about the bad relationship stuff, but that's the only negative to that CD. It ri[ps. Fuel's "Natural Selection" is another good one. I didn't buy it for the wife. I thought the song "Hemorrhage(In My Hands)" was so good radio stations would be playing that twenty years from now and out of curiosity I bought it. Excellent disc.
Certainly the two discs I mentioned are exceptions to the rule, but the smae goes for metal. There are a lot of so-so releases and a few great ones along with a few piles of dung. I'm not trying to turn people onto radio rock as a way of life, only to make people realize, it's getting better and better.
Aside from the metal aspect, there is a resurgence of good hard rock. Three Doors Down is a good band. Not much metal in their style, but those Southern boys play good rock and roll. Metal was evolved out of rock and roll. The "alternative" weird shit is phasing out as the rap (so it seems) mixed in with the rock. Metal's time is coming again.
Bryant
Silent Song said:
You are intelligent and well spoken. I like your post, but I disagree on a couple of points. The culture of the 80's WAS music. MTV was huge. Even into the early 90's that was true. Even with the "information age" we have now, people that grew up with music as teens will remember 90's music quite well as well as those that were teens in the new millenium.
As fans of an elite form of music (I think the same would apply to say a prog rocker or modern Jazz enthusiast) we tend to stand off a little toward "popular" music, but I think the 90's had it's share of music heroes. I'm no fan of alternative, but Pearl Jam's "Ten" rips. I can say that in the 90's I was practically anti-radio and popular music so I can't give the best examples, but certainly the Pearl Jam counts for something.
Every decade will have it's music because music will always be important to people. Certainly, it has it's ups and downs. Bands have a hard time selling out shows right now, but I think things will work itself out.
Bryant
kittybeast said:so what your essentialy saying is that the masses control what Clear Channel plays...so if we strengthen our forces maybe soon our music will once rule again??? Sounds damn fine with me!
Sweetie it is the exact opposite. I don't mean to insult your intelligence, but record companies are looking for "hooks." They don't give a shit what kind of music it is, but rather how quickly it can get into your mind. I don't like country music, but we have a radio at work and the second shift guys (I work third shift) listen to country. Some of those songs that are played when I come in get stuck in my head even though I don't like the songs and absolutely despise many of them. The people that evaluate the music know what to play and know what to listen for before releasing them.
The music "we" listen to sometimes grabs us immediately ("Bleed" by Angel Dust hit me from the first listen just as an example of an exception) but typically, it takes several listens for me and I think that is typical of many metal fans due to the complexity of the music.
Most songs with strong hooks have a big negative. They get old sounding quick. The ones that don't become classics. I think I made a mention of Fuel in an earlier post. I will be willing to bet "Hemorrhage(In My Hands)" will be played 20 years from now. The reason I say that is because it has a strong hook, but it is so well-crafted it doesn't get old quick.
We DO control what is out on the radio to a certain degree but promotion sells more albums than anything else, even to include elite listeners like us. I have probably turned 200 people on to Tad Morose (before PPV) and Vanden Plas each because I like them so much, but what does that amount equal to in the grand scheme of things ?
Bryant
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
Ironically, Nickelback would have been my example of all that is wrong with modern music. Nickelback's music lacks energy, intensity and the smallest shred of an original voice. They are the epitomy of Corporate Rock. They are the perfect representation of what happens to music when left to people who wear suits, study trends, and keep one eye on the bottom line. Perhaps their sound is preferrable to that of Spears, Simpson, and Timberlake. However, it's only preferrable in the same way that a doctor using one finger instead of two, during a prostate exam, is preferable.Bryant said:
I believe that there are some bands, knocking on the door of the mainstream, that have a voice. The Mars Volta is a good example. However, by and large, Corporate Rock is here to stay. Even if someone original breaks through, the Big 3 will do what they always do; sign 50 artists that sound similar and kill the sound. They have no other option, as artist discovery and development is something they simply don't know how to do.
Short of the three majors pulling out of the record industry, because they forcast nothing but dismal profits for their shareholders, due to decreased sales and file sharing, the radio and the music in CD stores will be shit for years to come.
Zod
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I listened to this thing once where it pasted two "different" Nickelback songs together and they fit perfectly.
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
edgeofthorns
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Silent Song said:
90's = grunge!
Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, and Soundgarden....need I say more?
edgeofthorns
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TheWhisper said:
Yep! Me to Whisper! The only radio I'm exposed to is at work, and I'm not paying attention to it half of the time.
