Real or programmed drums? You be the judge ;)

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so my bands playing our first gig at a battle of the bands type deal!

anyway, this is one of the bands that we are competing against:
www.myspace.com/betweenloveanddesolation1

at first glance, we were very impressed with the drum work but i just listened again more carefully and i'm starting to think they are either heavily triggered/edited or just flat out programmed! :Smug:

lend me your ears real quick guys! ..:rock:
 
Programmed.

Attention! Maybe a bit off topic:

Where is the art, when I programm a 32´ doublebass? Don´t get me wrong, I also like working like this sometimes, but in certain way i´m a bit old fashioned. When you (as a producer) have enough time on your hands and the drummer is an ass drummer, you could give him the ability to perform/show his individual style of playing. That´s my opinion..but recording drums qualitatively always was the evidence of proficiency for each good engineer. Today it seems to die...Machines, Machines, Machines..Next time I will phone Timbaland to make my drumsound.

I like charming small mistakes more than a sterile computer who cannot replace some situation-dependent elements. It´s precious, becouse it´s human. I´m not saying, that I record drums perfectly already, but i´m working hard each day to reach this point one time!
 
Definitely programmed...not that you needed a sixth opinion, haha!

I realize that a significant part of pursuing and retaining a professional engineering career, is refraining from making boldly negative public statements toward a specific band or person, so as to maintain a certain respectable stature...but I do have to be honest- this is a VERY typical sounding band. Sure- I would record them and work with them and invest my energy into their band as an engineer if they approached me as a serious client, but I feel a huge lack of songwriting excellence and creativity. Very uninspiring. Those sub-drops don't sound right at all, either... Probably the worst attempt at a sub-drop sample I've ever heard.

Anyway, I'm thinking a bunch now- if I'm aiming to make a professional career out of this engineering thing, is it a complete no-no to say the things I've just said? Surely it's okay to be honest, and I enjoy discussing things I like about music, as well as discussing the things I don't like about music... I'm just trying to put it all into the right perspective, and I realized recently that I never hear any of the audio professionals (on these boards or elsewhere) making public statements that could reflect poorly on them as people.
 
+1 on the lack of creativity... the music is just plain and really makes me wanna crawl back in bed again.

And goddamn, that hihat sounds like.... well certainly NOT a hihat and it's just like 1 sample repeating all over again... haha.
 
LOL Felix! I bet Timbaland can get a better drum tone by using an Sm58 and his mouth lol

Aaron, its not like you are trying to attack them cus u hate their guts lol you are just pointing out something that many of us were thinking. some bands are just ASKIN for it. it might even make you a better engineer to give your bands constructive criticism about their songwriting/playing. the last engineer i worked with gave me some drum tips that have stuck with me. ;)

especially if you play them your band's music they will probably take you more seriously. OR, you can always take the "if u aint got nuttin nice to say dont say it" approach and tell them what is good about their music, like, hey guys im really diggin that bass tone. (too bad the bassist is tone DEAF kinda thing) hehe
 
You should show up at the Battle of the Bands with baseball bats with nails in em and suits of armor, then act really surprised you don't get to actually battle anybody.

On another note, I can't imagine the competition there must be in NY. Aside from those that grew up there, there's probably a ton of transplants, uber scenesters, Scott Ian's cousin's best friend's band, etc.
 
xmidihcx said:
so my bands playing our first gig at a battle of the bands type deal!

anyway, this is one of the bands that we are competing against:
www.myspace.com/betweenloveanddesolation1

at first glance, we were very impressed with the drum work but i just listened again more carefully and i'm starting to think they are either heavily triggered/edited or just flat out programmed! :Smug:

lend me your ears real quick guys! ..:rock:
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Sorry, but I cannot bring myself to listen to a band called "Between Love and Desolation". YOU WIN!

I have no pro engineering aspirations, so I'm not worried about saying that...haha!
 
It was easy for me to pick out the drums were programmed, because I programmed the drums on our original demos since our drummer was too lazy to record. He wanted everything pristine and perfect, but wasn't willing to spend a week practicing his ass off to make sure they turned out that way. Maybe these guys have the same scenario, programmed dums for ease of release.
 
Those bands bring all their teenie-friends to the contest and win, because they applaude, when their friends rock, and leave the room the time othe bands play. Thats how band-battles work in germany. Ah, and in germany you pay alot of money, to attend those "friendcount battles" :P
 
-J- said:
You should show up at the Battle of the Bands with baseball bats with nails in em and suits of armor, then act really surprised you don't get to actually battle anybody.
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lmao, that would be great.

Listening to the first song and second song, I think they should have programmed the clean vocal parts. And I hate the 808 sample they used.

To be fair, they may have programmed the drums because it was their only mean of getting a good sound, not due to the drummers ability.

I'm baffled as to how they got 1.5 million plays, the singing is making my skin crawl.
 
uija said:
Those bands bring all their teenie-friends to the contest and win, because they applaude, when their friends rock, and leave the room the time othe bands play. Thats how band-battles work in germany. Ah, and in germany you pay alot of money, to attend those "friendcount battles" :P
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absolutely! when i was in my old band i remember us dropping a few hundred bux to enter one of those things. . i think thats why i left the band, i was tired of playing the same songs for the same people who were just there cus they have a friend in a band. it was an egofest and i was not having that

however, these guys contacted us. and we are lookin for gigs anyway so whether we win or loose, we win because we get to play our music for a nice sized crowd and hopefully scare the bejesus out of a few people :rock::rock: (with our spiked bats and armor of course)

surprisingly, when i saw the list of bands, there are actually a few pop bands playing so by nature they should win since after all it is a popularity contest:p
 
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