Reamping without a reamp box ?

[devouredremains]

My DI got helluva lot noise if the ground lift was in the wrong position, you should check that also.

+1

 

[chesterfieldblues]

Hi, have tried to reamp with my Behringer GI100 DI Box, didn't work...

Here are the schematics of my mixer:




And here is my DI's one:




The fact is, I used phone output (as my remaining mixer interface output) to the DI output, was I wrong ?

Thanks !

 

[SimonTaddio_Qc]

Hi, have tried to reamp with my Behringer GI100 DI Box, didn't work...

In my book, this could ALMOST be sig-worthy

 

[deLuther]

Active DI-boxes can not be used in reverse to work as reamp box.

 

[TheWinterSnow]

I have always said that the use of DI and Reamp boxes are trivial and are just a way to sucker you guys into paying way more for a single transformer than you should be. There are two reasons to use these boxes and it is something you can do with a mic pre if you cannot take care of the situation with your interface. The boxes are used to convert an unbalanced to a balanced signal and vice versa and the other use is to calibrate the voltage to current relationship so that the output voltage is calibrated to acceptable levels. The most important thing however is the voltage and in most cases, guitars can be plugged directly into a converter without clipping, same goes for a reamp box, you are trying to get a line level voltage to something similar to what a real guitar would give to an amp, although again from my experience most interfaces can give out enough voltage to power the amp without any signal loss. There may be some situations where the interface could not handle the signal to the amp and there is some signal loss, however a simple buffer stage will condition the signal to where it needs to be, and a guitar effects pedal or a clean colorless mic pre can do the job just fine, if not better from an electrical standpoint.

 

[chesterfieldblues]

Thank you.

I tried to plug a jack directly from my mixer phones output to my guitar preamp input.

It seems it was too much gainy, noisy, lot of feedback...but the tone seemed to be there.


What should I do ?

 

[guitarguru777]

My DI got helluva lot noise if the ground lift was in the wrong position, you should check that also.

+100000000

i went and bought 2 HumX's thinking it was faulty wiring in my apartment. Then one day i flipped the ground switch and boom gone. i spent $50 on HumX's that just basically sit around the studio now ...lol

Krank doesnt have a ground lift switch though. Still trying to figure out how to lower the noise on it.

 

[guitarguru777]

I have always said that the use of DI and Reamp boxes are trivial and are just a way to sucker you guys into paying way more for a single transformer than you should be. There are two reasons to use these boxes and it is something you can do with a mic pre if you cannot take care of the situation with your interface. The boxes are used to convert an unbalanced to a balanced signal and vice versa and the other use is to calibrate the voltage to current relationship so that the output voltage is calibrated to acceptable levels. The most important thing however is the voltage and in most cases, guitars can be plugged directly into a converter without clipping, same goes for a reamp box, you are trying to get a line level voltage to something similar to what a real guitar would give to an amp, although again from my experience most interfaces can give out enough voltage to power the amp without any signal loss. There may be some situations where the interface could not handle the signal to the amp and there is some signal loss, however a simple buffer stage will condition the signal to where it needs to be, and a guitar effects pedal or a clean colorless mic pre can do the job just fine, if not better from an electrical standpoint.

ya I run right from my Saffire Pro 40 to a TS then right into the amp. The TS I use as a buffer so I know the signal coming out the other side is good.

 

[ahjteam]

The problem is that we don't have a reamp box (is it acctualy available in europe?)

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/equipment/456878-what-reamp-boxes-there-market.html

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[NSGUITAR]

Why's everybody such and advocate for a "DI BOX" when they're not even necessary? A dry signal is a dry signal, correct?

 

[TheWinterSnow]

Why's everybody such and advocate for a "DI BOX" when they're not even necessary? A dry signal is a dry signal, correct?

While your idea is very true, impedances and nominal voltages have to be matched for the stage that you are going into. A DI box is converting an unbalanced signal into a balanced signal. Once that conversion has taken place, the voltage generated by the guitars pickup has to be stepped down so that the nominal voltage is equal to that of the calibrated line level.

A transformer will convert the unbalanced to balanced signal and a buffer, a single gain stage designed with a specific input impedance and a specific output voltage/current gain are what is needed to ensure the strongest, cleanest signal, however, you really don't need to pay that much for it. A 12:1 low power tranny and a single transistor gain stage (active buffer) is only about 20-30 USD in components. Now you can pay a good 70 for a jensen, but they build top quality trannys, any 12:1, 200k:1.5k impedance tranny will do without little to no difference in the final product, as long as the quality of the tranny isn't coloring the tone, it really doesn't matter how cheap you go.

 

[chesterfieldblues]

Here are the schematics of my mixer:




The fact is, I used phone output (as my remaining mixer interface output) to the DI output, was I wrong ?

Thanks !

So, what should I use as interface output on my mixer ?

 

[chesterfieldblues]

moshi moshi ?

 

[NSGUITAR]

While your idea is very true, impedances and nominal voltages have to be matched for the stage that you are going into. A DI box is converting an unbalanced signal into a balanced signal. Once that conversion has taken place, the voltage generated by the guitars pickup has to be stepped down so that the nominal voltage is equal to that of the calibrated line level.

A transformer will convert the unbalanced to balanced signal and a buffer, a single gain stage designed with a specific input impedance and a specific output voltage/current gain are what is needed to ensure the strongest, cleanest signal, however, you really don't need to pay that much for it. A 12:1 low power tranny and a single transistor gain stage (active buffer) is only about 20-30 USD in components. Now you can pay a good 70 for a jensen, but they build top quality trannys, any 12:1, 200k:1.5k impedance tranny will do without little to no difference in the final product, as long as the quality of the tranny isn't coloring the tone, it really doesn't matter how cheap you go.

Thanks dude! Never really cared about DI boxes, as I typically just use my profire2626, but your info sort of skewed that viewpoint. =)

 

[TheWinterSnow]

Thanks dude! Never really cared about DI boxes, as I typically just use my profire2626, but your info sort of skewed that viewpoint. =)

well an instrument input on an interface has is designed to handle all the conversions necessary and the converters on that channel are calibrated for an instrument, so a DI isn't really needed.

 

[NSGUITAR]

well an instrument input on an interface has is designed to handle all the conversions necessary and the converters on that channel are calibrated for an instrument, so a DI isn't really needed.

That's sort of what I figured. My reamps always turned out quite well just using the profire.

 

[xFkx]

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/equipment/456878-what-reamp-boxes-there-market.html

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Yeah.. i've bought one.. like... 1,5 years ago. but thanks for the tip... y'know... yeah.

 

[Jevil]

This

Only 93 € in Music Store:
http://www.musicstore.com/es_ES/ESP/Radial-Pro-RMP-passive-reamping-Box/art-REC0005522-000

I've got one, and it works pretty well!

 

[nialldoran]

So, what should I use as interface output on my mixer ?

man i used my Alesis multimix 8 to reamp recently after alot of gruelling work as i dont quite have the moeny for a reamp box, i had a balanced TRS coming from the headphone out put and turned up the volume knob that controls that, turn down your main mix knob as to stop feed back, monitor with headphones in the left monitor output, mic infront of amp, back into channel on my mixer, really really ghetto version of it, but it worked eventually, and it was an emergency so i had to do what i could,

in retrospect i dont even know if i could monitor it while it was recording, so there was alot of switching cables to listen back change mic position etc etc,

but i ended up reducing the time it takes for this by playing a loop from my loop pedal to get mic position correct to begin with then all this crazy crap above, good luck, just turn your monitors off, and main mix knob down all the way, hope it helps

 

[bryan_kilco]

No No ...

you gotta record your normal dry signal (Guitar -> DI -> Interface).

Then you can use your DI-box reversed as a "ghetto"-re-amping-device. That basically means:
Play back your recorded dry track through an Output of your interface. Patch that output to the Output of a passive DI-Box. From here you can go into the Instrument-input of your Amp.

Would this work if you are using an interface as a DI? I have Fast Track Pro and we are gonna be recording again soon, but we're getting another interface....last time we did DIs thru the interface, but didnt reamp.

Would I be able to take the DIs and run them "reversed" thru the interface for reamping?