Recording 5150/ BD-Tunnel/New stuff

[Niels]

Hi!

1) I will be recording a Band next week and they use a 5150. I read a lot about recording this Amp here and I think I've got a good starting point now...

I'd like to know which Cabs you prefer: I've got a Mesa 4x12 standard(slant, V 30's) and a Marshall 4x12 Cab(slant, 75's) available. Has anyone made experiences with these combinations?

(Guitar is an Ibanez with EMG's, C-drop tuning)

2) I also thought about building a "tunnel" for the Kick, by placing two Kicks front-to-front. Who tried this and what does it sound like? Appropriate for Metal? (-> I know most things are down to taste ))

3) For those who are interested: here are some links to my latest work. I wasn't involved in the recording process, just did the mixdown and mastering. It's a young Band, please don't comment their performance! I know there are some "inconsistencies"...
I reamped all the overdriven guitars and replaced the most of the drums. I really had to struggle with the bass, that was recorded at very low level and no(!) highs or high mids...

http://home.arcor.de/howsadafate/media/HowSadAFate-Stamp_Of_Death.mp3

http://home.arcor.de/howsadafate/media/HowSadAFate-The_Day_You_Broke_My_Heart.mp3

http://home.arcor.de/howsadafate/media/HowSadAFate-Everythings_A_Lie.mp3

Thx in advance for your replies!

 

[JeffTD]

I'd use the Mesa out of those cabs, simply because of the V30's. The 5150 will sound killer in the room with the 1960 cab, but the general consensus is that they blow for high-gain. That said, with the righ tmicing technique, they could probably kick a fair bit of ass. My favorite gat tone ATM was done with a 5150/XXX through a cheapshit Peavey Ultra cabinet, using an SM57 and e609 in the Fredman style, so you never know.

 

[Sinister Mephisto]

If you don't have anytime to try stuff out I guess I'd defult to the Mesa but if you have a hour or two try both or a combination of both if you're doing four rhythm tracks. I bet those cabs could sound killer together. Also like DSS3 said, you could try some different micing techniques on both cabs and see what works. Good luck!

Listening to "Stamp of Death right now. Pretty cool! Sounds good to me. I like what you did with the vocals.

 

[A Toolish Circle]

hey Niels , i suggest u use both cabinets and mic each one with a 57 in the middle of the cone and also blend the 2 tones together

the mesa will sound tighter and have more brighter and harsher top end , and the marshall will have a bit more muddy lows and smoother mids and top end

blend to taste , and please rememeber to use a Tubescreamer !!!! or overdrive pedal of similar built

i recently recorded with the exact setup u're talking about results are at :

www.myspace.com/soundscape2 <--- download 5150 tone


good luck !

 

[Niels]

If you don't have anytime to try stuff out I guess I'd defult to the Mesa but if you have a hour or two try both or a combination of both if you're doing four rhythm tracks. I bet those cabs could sound killer together. Also like DSS3 said, you could try some different micing techniques on both cabs and see what works. Good luck!

Listening to "Stamp of Death right now. Pretty cool! Sounds good to me. I like what you did with the vocals.

I think I'll have some time to try, but I never recorded a Mesa Cab and never worked with V 30's, only Marshalls(with 75's) and some other stuff. I know that most people around here (Andy included) prefer the V 30's. I'm excited to hear the big difference!

I tried recording two different Cabs together in the past, but I wasn't happy with the results, so I always ended up using only one Cab. The same applies for using two mics - it never convinced me. At least not for Metal/ distorted sounds.

I'd like to try the fredman technique, but I have to admit I didn't get the concept -> main reason: i was too lazy to read all the threads...

Would anyone be so kind and explain it to me(lazy asshole)?

 

[Niels]

hey Niels , i suggest u use both cabinets and mic each one with a 57 in the middle of the cone and also blend the 2 tones together

the mesa will sound tighter and have more brighter and harsher top end , and the marshall will have a bit more muddy lows and smoother mids and top end

blend to taste , and please rememeber to use a Tubescreamer !!!! or overdrive pedal of similar built

i recently recorded with the exact setup u're talking about results are at :

www.myspace.com/soundscape2 <--- download 5150 tone


good luck !

Sounds really cool!!!

Which amp settings did you use? I thought about using the settings suggested by Andy on www.ilovemetal.co.uk as a starting point...

How do you avoid phasing problems when using more than one mic(especially with two cabs). I never could handle this problem in the past.

I still don't have my own TS(shame on me)

but fortunately I know someone who's got one.

 

[A Toolish Circle]

Andy settings is a great place to start

phase problems can fixed by making sure both mics are the exact same distance from the grill of the cab

record both cabs , zoom into both waveforms and see where they match up

to be in phase both the crests and waves of the waveform from both cabs need to match up , if they dont' move the mics slightly here and there till u get them about 90% matching up and u're good to go

takes a little bit of experiementing , but once u get the hang of it it's easy

 

[Niels]

Andy settings is a great place to start

phase problems can fixed by making sure both mics are the exact same distance from the grill of the cab

record both cabs , zoom into both waveforms and see where they match up

to be in phase both the crests and waves of the waveform from both cabs need to match up , if they dont' move the mics slightly here and there till u get them about 90% matching up and u're good to go

takes a little bit of experiementing , but once u get the hang of it it's easy

Thx man!

Typical case of "try and error with the wrong conclusion":

Did this in the past mainly for drums. Tried it on guitars, but had two different amps recorded and it didn't work, so i didn't try it when I used ONE amp with TWO Cabs. Only played around with mic placement...

I believe I am stupid!:zombie:

 

[Niels]

The Kick thing anyone?

 

[LynchpiN]

The Kick thing anyone?

I've used some different techniques, like putting two kicks one in front of the other, cardboard box, blankets... Never had a precise opinion as I almost always end up replacing it

It can bring out some boom... It's very worth a try, just put a close mic as well, so you can pick more attack (and have a backup in case things don't go that well).

I'm eager to try a "subkick" (an speaker used as a microphone), perhaps an alternative?

 

[theblackmoon]

Eddie Kramer uses a blanket to avoid leakage from the snare and cymbals into the outter BD mic. His drums sounds are unbelievable. There&#180;s an old VHS that he teaches some drum recording technics.

He makes things look so easy...

 

[LynchpiN]

Yeah, a blanket helps on leaking, speacially if you're using external miking.

Wish I could put a blanket on the snare or on the toms.

 

[KeithRT99]

i say do the kick tunnel. thats how producers like terry date get thier kick sound. it allows them to get the high end of the kick from a condenser without overhead bleed.