Recreating a tubescreamer with plugins

[RichMinerva]

Hey guys

I figured with the sim screamers they're what makes my sims really grainy fizzy

So I'm wondering how best to go abou lt recreating the circuit path using plugins to see of that makes much of a difference

 

[KHE]

http://www.geofex.com/article_folders/TStech/tsxfram.htm for technical informations

latly, i ditched the ts-sims out of my signal-chains and use a simple eq in front.
hipass at 80-100hz (not very steep)
small, wide cut in the lo-mids (somtimes low-shelf-filter)
then a wide boost in the hi-frequencys (high-shelf)

i really like it sofar!

 

[Sam Cruz]

http://www.geofex.com/article_folders/TStech/tsxfram.htm for technical informations

latly, i ditched the ts-sims out of my signal-chains and use a simple eq in front.
hipass at 80-100hz (not very steep)
small, wide cut in the lo-mids (somtimes low-shelf-filter)
then a wide boost in the hi-frequencys (high-shelf)

i really like it sofar!

That's it? I mean no compression at all?

 

[RichMinerva]

And obviously the effect only certain frequencies, I don't know why they are?

 

[RichMinerva]

That's it? I mean no compression at all?

Well why would there be compression?

 

[Sam Cruz]

Well why would there be compression?

I dont know :Spin: compress to simulate clipping i guess , I guess Im surprise by the fact that you only need an EQ to simulate a tubescreamer as what k.h.e. stated :Smokin:

 

[KHE]

yeah to simulate a real ts there much more needed, see my link to R.G. on geofx.
but why would you want to re-build a ts, there are very cool vst-simulations out there!
take a look at ongels TSE 808 V1.1, you can modify nearly all values of the virtual components. (again, see geofx about theire function)

i only use a eq because i dont like the "compressing"-effect of the real ts.my eq-curve is also much different from the real thing. but it is for the same effect - reduce muddyness from pickups.

 

[prostetnic]

my sims really grainy fizzy

This is something you solve with 1) a great sounding cab impulse like GuitarHack's and 2) EQ at the end of the chain. Lo-pass at 7-8000hz, major cut at 3000hz and you should notice audible improvement.

 

[RichMinerva]

Unfortunately you're all missing the point

This is something you solve with 1) a great sounding cab impulse like GuitarHack's and 2) EQ at the end of the chain. Lo-pass at 7-8000hz, major cut at 3000hz and you should notice audible improvement.

ESPECIALLY YOU!

 

[Trevoire520]

I'd be quite interested to see a spectrum analysis of a tubescreamer to see what's going on frequency-wise. Might have to give it a go when I'm next at the studio.

 

[Sam Cruz]

There's huge difference between two of the sim screamers i got

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/42929020/ts.wav

The DI is from that guitar tone competition, Unprocessed > TSS > Pod Farm's screamer.
Same setting, Drive 0, Tone and Level Maxed, volume is roughy matched

 

[deLuther]

For comparison

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12303777/ScreamerTEST/Ignite Stomps TS-999.wav
(taken from http://forum.guitarplayer.ru/index.php?topic=218186.0)
And reamping through my screamer (just result of screamer, level is 6 db lower because it`s hardware, settings is similar)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3630120/Chris Custom Screamer.wav
I had troubles with recreating similar sound with TS 808 (but did not played with components values), maybe TS-999 prototype is also based on TS Mod schematics, so it sound similar.

 

[KHE]

Unfortunately you're all missing the point

what point are we missing?

did you read & understand the link i posted? if yes, you should see the "problem"...

 

[robfromthedeep]

Have you tried TS impulses bro?

 

[RichMinerva]

Can't say I have rob

 

[Sam Cruz]

Have you tried TS impulses bro?

what? where?

 

[Mutant]

(facepalm)

Fact#1: TS is a dynamic device.
Among other things it does, it CREATES new frequencies in the high mid range.

Fact#2: EQ and IR engines are static.
EQ only amplifies what is already there, it can't create anything NEW and of value in that high mid range region out of the stuff that is usually there.
IR engines can only substract (kinda carve) frequencies out of your signal - if the impulse is an uniform white noise, the signal will be unaffected, if it has some holes and valleys in its frequency spectrum, these holes will get "carved" into the signal.

So the only thing you can say that is possible to kinda (not really because of the compression) emulate with EQ and IR is the bass response.

 

[KHE]

a little ot: if you are looking for a vst-plugin which tightens the tone, but without the "tube-screamer-midbump", check this plugin: http://sites.google.com/site/distorque/home/vsts/distortion
a very versetail distortion+ emulation with adjustable low-cut (pre-distortion). very useful plugin, i use it alot!

 

[robfromthedeep]

Ah, my mistake, but for some reason i do have an impulse folder with some ts ir's

worth having a mess with

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4859646/TubeScreamer-TS9-IMPULSES.zip

 

[crillemannen]

(facepalm)

Fact#1: TS is a dynamic device.
Among other things it does, it CREATES new frequencies in the high mid range.

Fact#2: EQ and IR engines are static.
EQ only amplifies what is already there, it can't create anything NEW and of value in that high mid range region out of the stuff that is usually there.
IR engines can only substract (kinda carve) frequencies out of your signal - if the impulse is an uniform white noise, the signal will be unaffected, if it has some holes and valleys in its frequency spectrum, these holes will get "carved" into the signal.

So the only thing you can say that is possible to kinda (not really because of the compression) emulate with EQ and IR is the bass response.

He speaks the truth. If you are thinking that you are emulating a TS by simply putting a LP at 7k and a boost at 1.5khz you are so wrong