Romeo steals work?

[Bassmasta]

I'm not sure how to say this, but possibly this will show you what I mean. It's a quote taken from the Dream Theater message board about Romeo, and how he 'allegedly' takes themes or parts from classical pieces, and doesn't cite them

Here's the quote:

[font=verdana, arial, helvetica]"Dies Irae" movement from Verdi's Requiem

michael romeo is famous for plagiarizing and not citing the source... he's not the orchestration genius people think him to be, although he's definitely talented

this guy has ripped off bach, mozart, paganini, holst, etc...

i mean it s ok to quote someone else' s music, but taking HUGE sections and not mentionning the source is a big no-no in my book... even if the composers are dead...

the choral intro from DWOT is from Bach's B minor mass BWV 232 , he's not gonna fool me hehehe he never will , i've listened to enough classical music to catch romeo everytime... it's from the middle section of the "Confiteor" movement from the Symbolum Nicenum section...

michael romeo is definitely really talented but what he does is totally disrespectful


and of course, as its the jp forum, there will always be people trying to help him... it seems they like people who are famous. the few times i said harrison is no more but chops and that coenen's stuff is cliché and damn boring, they flammed me like never
oh well...[/font]

I checked out that Dies Irae song and it's almost identical to Prelude on "V".

Very very sad news if this is true.............is there any way we can contact Mike about this?

Here are the two links by the way:
http://www.dreamtheater.net/bb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20010&pagenumber=3
http://www.petrucciforum.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=1&topic=12029
Peace.

 

[Alexander TG]

Oh wow a few bars in a song or two which are most likely entirely unintentional and just a result of his dominant classical influence. Michael Romeo is an intelligent man and I credit his intelligence enough that I think he and others would have realised if all this was just a massive fraud before this dream theater know it all, he is just shit stirring.

Even if he did what about all the other songs????
Mike is a genius a no dream-theater punk is gonna change that, just chill mate.

 

[Mr. Shred-ididle]

What he said

 

[Bassmasta]

whoa whoa whoa, I'm not denying that he's a genious, don't get all defensive! In fact, I never took any sides in the matter. But did you listen to that song I quoted? It's almost identical to Prelude, and there's no credit given, that's all.....

Cheers (sorry for the misunderstanding)

 

[Polyeidus]

I don't feel like investigating, but if it is true, it's a shame. Anyone else that does it nowadays is flamed for sure. I've had people swear up and down that Adagio AND Mr. Richard Andersson stole most of the material for Time Requiems album. If it all pans out to be true, then it's a sad thing.

 

[Hyoukinmono]

I don't think that it's a big deal, nor do I think it strange, etc. Bits and pieces of classical music show up all over the place, and aren't cited most of the time. (In fact, when they're cited, it's often just to make a point that it's from something else, not to give credit to the original composer.) And bits of older classical pieces show up in the classical pieces that are being used for the newer song.
The same thing happens in literature and art. (A large part of my study of literature has been finding the elements that were lifted from older works.) In a way, that's part of the nature of music. There is a tradition, and the new things build on that tradition, and alluding to those older works through using elements of them is standard. For me, part of the enjoyment of listening to great music is picking out the pieces that are from older pieces. One of the things that intrigues me, and drew me to a career in in literature, is the way works of literature connect with each other.
Not understanding that is a clear indication that the author of that post doesn't understand classical music quite as well as he or she seems to think.
Part of Michael Romeo's genius is specifically that ability to incorporate elements of the tradition that is the context for his music, whether that tradition be rock or classical. The same thing can be said for Dream Theater, though the specific objects of incorporation are different.
And hey, why didn't anyone ever complain about Nirvana lifting whole songs from old punk bands? They started a whole movement based on what was essentially a cover/copy band (without the good humo(u)r, better hygiene, and energy of the early punk bands, of course). Now THAT was plagiarism!

 

[Polyeidus]

nah, i disagree on all counts

 

[Luis]

It's almost identical to Prelude, and there's no credit given, that's all.....

The credit used to be on their web-site.


As far as i concern, i dont care about credits, becouse i have been listening to classical since i was a child, i know every classical theme they have used on their albums:

Dressed to Kill: Bachs Prelude in C minor.
The Divine Wings of Tragedy: Bachs Mass in B minor and Holsts "Mars" from "The Planets".
Sonata: Beethovens Piano sonata Op 13 in C minor second movement.
Prelude: Verdis Requiem "Dies Ira"
Death of Balance-Lacrimosa: Mozarts Requiem K 622.
A fools Paradise: Bachs Concerto for Harspichord (Dont remember which number)
Awekenings: Chopins Prelude Op 28 num 24 in D minor.
Inferno: Vivaldis "Summer" from "The four seasons"

...I can only say Michael Romeo and Michael Pinella love classical music, and they should teach DreamTheater, how to orchestrate a song.

 

[Ultimate_Symphony]

Call me crazy, but I believe that in the old website it was cited that Prelude was based on Dies Irae. I won't comment on the rest of the matter because i'm not versed enough on classical music to make a good judgement.

 

[Ultimate_Symphony]

So I wasn't that crazy afterall. Pretty good memory I have up here

 

[rockmanxpr]

Ya know, many listeners already know where these classical pieces come from, look at Yngwie we know where he gets his stuff and we don't raise the "red flag". It just seems this dream theater fan couldn't take SX being better than DT

 

[bringer_of_war]

What Michael Romeo did... it's called RECYCLING... pretty simple in fact.

 

[Friend of Moloch]

Symphonic and classical integration into music is just a part of new art now. And I don't think it's always necessary to give credit. It's like giving credit to Les Paul every time you pluck a string on a guitar. Or tracking down the originator of well-known chords and giving them credit every time you use it.

Though it is nice to know when the orchestrations aren't entirely original (but at least they are adapted). And it's not in the taking of bits of classical music, it's in the application. Maybe if Dream Theater knew how to apply them, they'd use 'em too. Until then, I'll stick with Symphony X.

 

[Progbass]

Doesn't DT's home is taken almost directly from tool's 46 and 2? lol
Anyway I don't think you have to always cite if you take only a part and the whole song isn't based on a classical piece. But what is very funny is when Yngwie says in his albums that he's composed all the songs while half of the parts it's taken from bach, lol.

 

[SilentRealm]

Sounds like that guy is having a pms'ed bitch at Mike Romeo frankly. I've heard lots and lots of artists take pieces of music or styles from others and give no credit..i'm not going to stop backing SymX because of this if that's the response he is hoping for.
But truthfully I am in no position to pass judgement.

 

[Pharaoh]

The Masters would be proud.

That is all I have to say.

 

[Dev]

I'm not sure how to say this, but possibly this will show you what I mean. It's a quote taken from the Dream Theater message board about Romeo, and how he 'allegedly' takes themes or parts from classical pieces, and doesn't cite them

Here's the quote:

[font=verdana, arial, helvetica]"Dies Irae" movement from Verdi's Requiem

michael romeo is famous for plagiarizing and not citing the source... he's not the orchestration genius people think him to be, although he's definitely talented

this guy has ripped off bach, mozart, paganini, holst, etc...

i mean it s ok to quote someone else' s music, but taking HUGE sections and not mentionning the source is a big no-no in my book... even if the composers are dead...

the choral intro from DWOT is from Bach's B minor mass BWV 232 , he's not gonna fool me hehehe he never will , i've listened to enough classical music to catch romeo everytime... it's from the middle section of the "Confiteor" movement from the Symbolum Nicenum section...

michael romeo is definitely really talented but what he does is totally disrespectful


and of course, as its the jp forum, there will always be people trying to help him... it seems they like people who are famous. the few times i said harrison is no more but chops and that coenen's stuff is cliché and damn boring, they flammed me like never
oh well...[/font]

I checked out that Dies Irae song and it's almost identical to Prelude on "V".

Very very sad news if this is true.............is there any way we can contact Mike about this?

Here are the two links by the way:
http://www.dreamtheater.net/bb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20010&pagenumber=3
http://www.petrucciforum.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=1&topic=12029
Peace.

He still plays with more FEELING than Petrucci and the masters would be proud , yes lol

 

[joebobodo]

I played Verdi's Requiem my freshman year in high school, and it was one of my favorite concert band pieces ever. When I first heard V, needless to say, I was PSYCHED, to hear that piece used as the opening track. Made me fall in love with the band just that much faster.

 

[OfSinsAndShred]

I thought it was cool that Romeo used the stuff, and it sounds great, but I would've liked to see more credit given in the liner notes. I think he cited Beethoven for Sonata, but that's the only one I've seen.

And Alexander TG... WOW. Listen to Verdi's Reqiuem, then call it a coincidence.

Oh well. When I first heard about this I was really torn up, but it doesn't bother me so much anymore.

 

[g3ddy_lee]

What Michael Romeo did... it's called RECYCLING... pretty simple in fact.

Aw man, you just totally read my mind. I don't see why he should cite every damn thing he uses from other peoples work. These people are DEAD, and so they're never forgotten, he "recycles" them by using their stuff in his songs. Simple as that.