Ron Paul FTW

[NAD]

I totally voted for Ron Paul yesterday and was subsequently called a racist.

 

[NAD]

Some douchebag who didn't get my point. Long story, and by long, I mean pointless and boring.

I'm going to vote for Hillary/Obama in November. They stand no chance, it'll be McCain no doubt. Oh goody.

http://shootingwar.com/chapters/chapter-1

 

[Reign in Acai]

I'll probably end up voting for an independent candidate. A vote for Shillary, Obanana, or John McClain yippi yie yay, is a vote for sociological destruction.

 

[lurch70]

already started shopping for real estate in Europe

 

[General Zod]

If this country puts a Republican in the White House, especially one who follows the Bush doctrine, and who sang "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran", I will lose the last shred of respect I have for our populace.

Zod

 

[General Zod]

already started shopping for real estate in Europe

Let me know what you find. The wife and I have seriously considered leaving/escaping this country/sinking ship sooner rather than later.

Zod

 

[Krigloch the Furious]

lol John McCain

 

[WhiteBeastofWotan]

go obama go

 

[Krigloch the Furious]

why?

 

[WhiteBeastofWotan]

i find him to be the most convincing of the candidates

 

[Lies and Perfidy]

Obama is an exceptionally inspiring candidate with a sane approach to universal health care, international politics, and social issues - probably the least likely of all the major candidates to be influenced on policy by religion. His greatest draw, though, is his ability to draw the interest of people who have never cared about politics, and mobilize new voting blocs to make some actual fucking change.

It's very easy to be cynical these days. I feel like giving something else a shot.

 

[General Zod]

Agreed on Obama. I think he represents a glimmer of hope in an otherwise hopeless political system. McCain and Hillary merely represent more of the same. Unfortunately, the odds of Obama beating both seems unlikely.

Zod

 

[EricT]

I just want Obama to kick the shit outta Hillary for one reason: The Dead might just play a few more shows in support of Obama as they did the one the other night.

Other than that, I could give a shit less who wins at this point.

 

[Dark One]

If Obama gets the nomination, I actually think he'll win. His oratorical skills are superb, he has magnetic charisma and an all encompassing approach to his message. The excitement he's generating is mobilizing voters who share similar viewpoints. While not my first choice, I think there would be a ton of goodwill associated with him becoming president and that's certainly a positive thing.

Hillary is much more polarizing in my view and I'm just so sick of these political dynasties. I want change as well - starting with a fresh face in the White House.

While I'm sure he's unpopular around these parts, one thing I like about McCain is his aisle-reaching approch on several issues. He's proven he can work together with some of the more prominent members of the other party, and I do believe he's the most moderate of all the major candidates. Agree with their core philosophies or not, we definitely need someone who's accessible and willing to at least listen rather than having a tightly knit closed door policy.

I'm not truly excited by any of the candidates, but I'd at least be ok with Obama or McCain and would hope for the best for either of them.

Jason

 

[General Zod]

Back in 2000, I would have happily voted for McCain over any of the Democrats. However, at this point, I just fail to see how McCain isn't more of the same. He's unabashedly tied to this Iraq war. A war that will undoubtedly go down in history as the greatest foreign policy mistake ever (for this country or any other). At present, over 1,000,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed by this fiasco. 1,000,000 civilians. Their population is only 26,000,000. I personally can't consider someone for the office of the presidency who wants to escalate the NeoCon agenda by going after Iran next. He's also joked (JOKED!) about being in Iraq another 100 years. Any aisle reaching he's done during his tenure in the Senate is completely overshadowed by how tightly he's linked himself to the Bush doctrine.

At this point, McCain is no longer a "maverick" independent. He's simply another old man who will do and say anything to become president. Evidenced by his willingness to go and speak at Jerry Falwell's university, after calling him an "agent of intolerance" a few years previous.

By the way, I heard the the head of the RNC on TV yesterday. He referred to the republican party as "the party of fiscal responsibility and personal freedoms"... with a straight face. Seriously, when these people speak, is the assumption that we made it to our television sets by way of the "little bus"?

Zod

 

[Thanatopsis123]

He's simply another old man who will do and say anything to become president. Evidenced by his willingness to go and speak at Jerry Falwell's university, after calling him an "agent of intolerance" a few years previous.

The fact that this isn't constantly being brought up amazes me.

 

[skeptik]

It's called pandering. He's an old man. He got fucked over 8 years ago by the illegitimate black child bullshit, so I'm really not surprised he's taken this route, and I also wouldn't be surprised if, provided he gets elected, he turns out to be a lot more liberal than he's been campaigning as for the last two years.

 

[General Zod]

...and I also wouldn't be surprised if, provided he gets elected, he turns out to be a lot more liberal than he's been campaigning as for the last two years.

I've considered this possibility. However, I'd be more hopeful of this being the case, if he hadn't become such a hawk over the last few years.

While what the rest of the world thinks shouldn't be the primary concern for the American voter, I do believe it counts now, more than ever. And I shutter to think what electing another old, white, Republican, war hawk says to the globe. It seems to me, that we really need to reach out to the world and work together. Be it the environment, the dwindling oil supply, or the threat of global terrorism, we need a president who can extend a hand. And that hand can't be bloodied by the call for more war.

Aside from how it would be viewed globally, I can't help but think that electing a black president would go a long way to easing the racial tensions that still exist in this country.

Zod

 

[Dark One]

He's unabashedly tied to this Iraq war. A war that will undoubtedly go down in history as the greatest foreign policy mistake ever (for this country or any other).

No need to rehash our disagreements over this issue.

At present, over 1,000,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed by this fiasco. 1,000,000 civilians.

Please cite your sources on this figure.

I personally can't consider someone for the office of the presidency who wants to escalate the NeoCon agenda by going after Iran next.

Believe me when I say I'm not trying to start anything with you here, but when did he say this? Why do you believe he's such a hawker over going to war with Iran?

He's also joked (JOKED!) about being in Iraq another 100 years. Any aisle reaching he's done during his tenure in the Senate is completely overshadowed by how tightly he's linked himself to the Bush doctrine.

You cannot deny the positive effect the surge he pushed for has had. (I know your idea of "positive effect" is packing up and leaving period, but the violence has decreased with the surge). Bush's horrible mismanagement of the war is where I find fault with him, not in the mission and that is where you and I fundamentally and wholeheartedly disagree. I trust McCain to manage the conflict infinitely more than I trust Bush.

At this point, McCain is no longer a "maverick" independent. He's simply another old man who will do and say anything to become president. Evidenced by his willingness to go and speak at Jerry Falwell's university, after calling him an "agent of intolerance" a few years previous.

I see him as the most moderate of all the candidates and at least capable of finding non-partisan solutions. We need more politicians like that on either side.

By the way, I heard the the head of the RNC on TV yesterday. He referred to the republican party as "the party of fiscal responsibility and personal freedoms"... with a straight face. Seriously, when these people speak, is the assumption that we made it to our television sets by way of the "little bus"?

I'd never take anything Mike Duncan or Howard Dean say seriously.

 

[swizzlenuts]

A bunch of people here in the UK are for Obama.