Satori will get a kick out of this

[Russell]

Originally posted by Lina
This is so immature. This is not a matter of "being tolerant." Should I be tolerant of a racist? Should I be tolerant of a homophobe? Should I be tolerant of a sexist? Should I be tolerant of someone who insists America can do no wrong? Should I be tolerant of someone who insists all Americans are evil? Should I be tolerant of teen mothers? Should I be tolerant of religious fanatics? Should I be tolerant of gang members? Should I be tolerant of someone who claims there's no proof that 2 plus 2 equals 4?

Ignorance and stupidity should not be humored or accepted for the sake of "tolerance."

immature? If you want it to be, then yes it is.

You should respect peoples views, no matter what. As long as they aren't forcing them on any-one, then leave it. I would be tolerant with any of the people you mentioned. I may totally disagree with them, and I may well choose not to spend my time with them because I feel I can't be around that person without arguing but I would be tolerant.

I'm sure at least some if not many people on this board completely disagree with you point of view. However they may not say because they are mature enough to respect your views and yes, be tolerant of them.

If there weren't the tolerant people around I think you'd soon realise how different things would be, and I have absolutely no doubt you'd hate it. I'm also sure now if people weren't being tolerant with you eg. telling you you were wrong for not beliving in god etc. you would kick up a very large fuss about it yet you seem to have something against peopledoing that when it doesn't suit you

However I feel this will end up going around in circles as you will never see the fact that this behaviour makes you no better than the people you seem to think you are fighting a crusade against

 

[Lina]

Originally posted by godisanathiest
You should respect peoples views, no matter what.

I completely disagree. But at least you're politically correct.

Originally posted by godisanathiest
I'm sure at least some if not many people on this board completely disagree with you point of view. However they may not say because they are mature enough to respect your views and yes, be tolerant of them.

This board fosters debate. If someone disagrees with me and is able to back up their beliefs, then I welcome their comments.

I don't think all beliefs are equally valid simply because they're held by a human, as you seem to. I don't respect people whose beliefs aren't rooted in proof, logic, observation, common sense, etc.

 

[Evisceratrix]

Originally posted by Satori

People who are leaning toward evolution are not like religious people at ALL and the 2 cannot be compared. Why? It's obvious. One group is actually THINKING, while the other group isn't thinking at all.

This is a HUGE difference, therefore, we are certainly not "no different" from the fanatically faithful.

Ultimately we can never know what right or wrong about *anything*, however, we can state what is most likely and logical, and this is what the science of evolution is doing. For this reason and this reason alone, it simply can not be compared to religion in the least.

Satori

damn these heated debates!

i just want to say that i living in the bible belt, i constantly see a lot of stupid and ignorant christian shit. but to say that the entire group of christians/religious people dont think isnt so...well... thoughtful! i see it as a beautiful thing about christianity (in particular) that it has progressed to where some very intellegent and scholarly people are christian...and they are thinking! and one way in which theyre doing so is by not going with such a literal interpretation of the bible-but with their own interpretation. (which fundamentalists might argue makes them not christians at all, but blah!)-and some, for example, do believe in creationalism and yet mix it with the so -called "fact' (hehe.. ) of evolution, and by melding the two beliefs together they come up with a more sensible viewpoint on things.....
a veiwpoint which i dont necassarily agree with! but like your saying, we can never know whats right and wrong about anything really....so maybe im gonna burn in hell!
:hotjump:

but if i were a medical practitioner, id want to stay in buinsess and so i certainly wouldnt want to offend any of my patients AKA customers... i think it takes a lot of well, not necassarily intellegence but perhaps humility to manipulate your own thoughts and actions to accomidate others. its not fun, but unfortunately it is often necassary....
so id wait for when i got home and threw off my sexy nurse uniform (ha!) and put on my danizig shirt, and then id drink a beer and laugh my ass off at them or think on how i disagree with them.

This is so immature. This is not a matter of "being tolerant." Should I be tolerant of a racist? Should I be tolerant of a homophobe? Should I be tolerant of a sexist? Should I be tolerant of someone who insists America can do no wrong? Should I be tolerant of someone who insists all Americans are evil? Should I be tolerant of teen mothers? Should I be tolerant of religious fanatics? Should I be tolerant of gang members? Should I be tolerant of someone who claims there's no proof that 2 plus 2 equals 4?

Ignorance and stupidity should not be humored or accepted for the sake of "tolerance."

so what are you gonna do with them!? throw rocks at them? haha throw em in a gas chamber!?

 

[Satori]

Originally posted by transfixed
Sure, we can look around and dig up old bones and fossils and come up with a better understanding of how it all came to be and what it will become... but it isn't truly satisfying, at least not to me.

Why isn't it satisfying to you? Don't you want to know the best truth about things?

Therefore, I believe it should be questioned.

Yes, questioned, not disregarded in favour of a dumb myth.

Science IS the art of questioning, so of course evolution should be questioned, if it wasn't (like religion), it would cease to be scientific (like religion).

Satori

 

[Satori]

Originally posted by Lina
Ignorance and stupidity should not be humored or accepted for the sake of "tolerance."

In a perfect world where everyone was intelligent this would be the case, and how I wish we lived in such a world. But there are a lot of idiots out there unfortunately.

Basically I think one's tolerence is a personal thing. For example, I can tolerate idiots spewing religious bullshit on occasion, but I can't tolerate someone smoking tobacco around me.

There is no "rule" here, we are all different and we all have different levels of tolerence for different things and there is nothing either absolutely right or wrong about any of it.

Satori

 

[Satori]

Originally posted by godisanathiest
You should respect peoples views, no matter what.

This may be right for you, but don't presume it is right for everyone. There are people who think the world is flat and others who thinking fucking children and farm animals is a wholesome way to spend a tuesday evening, according to your rigid assertion, we should respect this? No thanks, we are better off setting our own levels of respect/tolerence.

I would be tolerant with any of the people you mentioned. I may totally disagree with them, and I may well choose not to spend my time with them because I feel I can't be around that person without arguing but I would be tolerant.

This is fine, but keep in mind you are doing what is right for you. Lina is doing what is right for her, and I think you should apply your tolerance of others to her (and perhaps me) as well.

However I feel this will end up going around in circles as you will never see the fact that this behaviour makes you no better than the people you seem to think you are fighting a crusade against

I don't think it's really fair to compare Lina to religious fanatics, actually, I think this comparison is just completely absurd. She isn't perpetuating an ancient myth based in fear/desire, nor is she closing her eyes to any facts that are available. I think that Lina just wants people to wake up to reality, and this is the last thing that the faithful want as it seems their every effort in such matters goes toward sustaining the implausible nonesense which has pervaded their minds like a disease.

Satori

 

[Satori]

Originally posted by Evisceratrix
i just want to say that i living in the bible belt, i constantly see a lot of stupid and ignorant christian shit.

Yes, hatred, discrimination, fear, etc.

but to say that the entire group of christians/religious people dont think isnt so...well... thoughtful! i see it as a beautiful thing about christianity (in particular) that it has progressed to where some very intellegent and scholarly people are christian...and they are thinking!

Thinking? Hmm.. very interesting...

and one way in which theyre doing so is by not going with such a literal interpretation of the bible-but with their own interpretation.

Ahh, I see how they are "thinking", but are they REALLY? I don't think so. Why would they adopt a religion as factual and at the same time disregard the most basic assertions of the religion as outlined in the bible? While they may be light years ahead of their fundamentalist counterparts, they are still blinded by the myth. They may call themselves christians, but they aren't, they are just people caught somewhere in the middle between being religiously blinded and totally awake. It's cool that they are awake enough to disregard some/most of what the religion teaches, and awake enough to see the facts in front of their eyes, but they are no yet awake enough to just forget the mythology entirely. Instead, they struggle to find ways to adapt the myth and find new interpretations which helps them to cling to the myth which they probably know in their minds is just bullshit, but they just can't let go.

To me, those who "reinterpret" religions to suit the current times and scientific facts are almost as idiotic as those who blindly follow it without thinking. If they were truly intelligent, liberated, and fearless, they would just dismiss the myth and be done with it rather than make such feeble attempts to cling to it as they do.

(which fundamentalists might argue makes them not christians at all, but blah!)

Not only fundamentalists would argue this.

-and some, for example, do believe in creationalism and yet mix it with the so -called "fact' (hehe.. ) of evolution, and by melding the two beliefs together they come up with a more sensible viewpoint on things.....

Ahem. A more "sensible viewpoint on things"???? How in the hell could this be more sensible? There is absolutely NOTHING logical or sensible about mixing an absolute science like evolution with an absolute myth like christianity or any other religion, they don't mix, they are 2 complete distinct things and they have nothing in common. Evolution is a hard fact in every sense of the word "fact" (we can see it happening RIGHT NOW for pete's sake), and the reason so many are unaware of this is cuz society is still in a transitional phase between creation -> evolution.

The only logical "mix" I've heard between science and evolution is the intelligent design theory, which basically states that a god thing initiated the beginning of the universe and allowed it to evolve naturally according to the basic laws and math that is inherent within it, however, this is not really "mixing" at all because it doesn't state that "god" created life, it states that "god" created the universe which eventually evolved life through natural means. Intelligent design is totally pro-evolution and so far it's the only "faith" I've ever encountered that isn't just completely stupid because there's no way to verify or refute it, so there's nothing all illogical about it.

a veiwpoint which i dont necassarily agree with!

Whew! That's a relief!

but like your saying, we can never know whats right and wrong about anything really....so maybe im gonna burn in hell!
:hotjump:

Nah, I don't think you need to be worrying about that! But if you are bothered by it, why not just join the taliban and become a suicide bomber. By adopting their faith, you are guaranteed to have a nice "afterlife" free of burning and such, hehe.

Religions are so fucking stupid, all of them, just incredibly stupid. They are so stupid that it's easy to think that those that follow them must be stupid as well, and while this is most often the case, a lot people are just borderline intelligent and are brainwashed from an early age, so it's not really their fault. Join me in my pity of these poor misguided individuals.

but if i were a medical practitioner, id want to stay in buinsess and so i certainly wouldnt want to offend any of my patients AKA customers... i think it takes a lot of well, not necassarily intellegence but perhaps humility to manipulate your own thoughts and actions to accomidate others. its not fun, but unfortunately it is often necassary....

Interesting angle. That reminds me, my partner is a medical practitioner and she was telling me the other day about how she encouraged someone to pray to allah to help her get better. It made her sick to her stomach to say that, but the patient is in hard shape and is truly and thoroughly brainwashed so there's no hope of liberating her from her religion anyway. Besides this, she was ethically obligated to encourage her praying because prayer (just like visualization, hypnosis, yoga, and meditation) helps stimulate the body's own natual processes of healing.

so id wait for when i got home and threw off my sexy nurse uniform (ha!) and put on my danizig shirt, and then id drink a beer and laugh my ass off at them or think on how i disagree with them.

Yep, that's exactly what my partner did, except it wasn't so much mocking her patient as it was just pitying her for being no very bright and completely brainwashed.

so what are you gonna do with them!? throw rocks at them? haha throw em in a gas chamber!?

Nah, just pity them and try to educate their children so that there is less chance they will fall into the same trap.

all the best,

Satori

 

[Lina]

Originally posted by Evisceratrix
i think it takes a lot of well, not necassarily intellegence but perhaps humility to manipulate your own thoughts and actions to accomidate others

So it's admirable to lie to people because they refuse to believe the truth? Hmmm...ok. To be honest, I wasn't really critiquing the doctor. I realize he's got to make his buck. I just think it's unfortunate that he's considered "insensitive" if he explains something as obvious as evolution. it's a shame that society has sunk to accomodate the lowest denominator.

Originally posted by Evisceratrix
so what are you gonna do with them!? throw rocks at them? haha throw em in a gas chamber!?

you're comparing me to hitler? because i want the ignorant to be educated? i'm gonna assume that was a joke.

 

[Misanthrope]

wanting the ignorant to be educated its a battle you will never win. You should ask yourself why does it bothers you so much other people is ignorant that way you might just come to misanthropic views and realize its not worth it and that you should teasure the intelligent people you know if you even know intelligent people

 

[Lina]

Originally posted by Satori
That reminds me, my partner is a medical practitioner and she was telling me the other day about how she encouraged someone to pray to allah to help her get better. It made her sick to her stomach to say that, but the patient is in hard shape and is truly and thoroughly brainwashed so there's no hope of liberating her from her religion anyway. Besides this, she was ethically obligated to encourage her praying because prayer (just like visualization, hypnosis, yoga, and meditation) helps stimulate the body's own natual processes of healing.

i would just like to state for the record that I would do the same thing in this case. it's not like, if i was a doctor, i'd go around yelling at my religious patients. i would realize nothing can be done at that point to open their eyes, and i would tell them whatever would soothe them.

in fact, when i run into people from my old church who question why i haven't been there, i just tell them i'm going to another church -- not, "i'm an athiest, and you're stupid." i'm not as bombastic in person as i am on this board. i come to this board precisely because i can't have these conversations with the people i come into contact with every day.

this whole thread started because i was just shocked that in this day and age, doctors still aren't allowed to state the obvious. i mean, i don't think it even conflicts too terribly much with religion -- i know a lot of people who tell themselves that both god and evolution are at work (for the reasons satori mentioned). so this thread was only meant to address that specific example.

 

[Lina]

Originally posted by Misanthrope
wanting the ignorant to be educated its a battle you will never win. You should ask yourself why does it bothers you so much other people is ignorant that way you might just come to misanthropic views and realize its not worth it and that you should teasure the intelligent people you know if you even know intelligent people

yeah, i know, it's a hopeless battle. to be honest, i don't expect to change anyone's mind. i vent here because i know there are like-minded people who understand what i'm saying. and there are some who, when they don't agree with me, actually give me food for thought rather than the old, tired rhetoric i already considered before forming my opinions.

in person i don't push these kinds of debates. i even did poorly in a class because i skipped it so much simply because i couldn't stand to hear such predictable, middle-school, uninformed views. and i knew that nothing i said would make them pay any more attention to the news in between their frat parties. therefore they weren't worth my time.

i know it's a waste to get so worked up about stuff. and i definitely am somewhat misanthropic, because nearly every encounter with people is disheartening. Yet there's this part of me that craves the adrenaline i get from a heated debate. i used to visit message boards about 6 years ago, when i was new to the internet, and my blood pressure probably went through the roof, so i stopped. this is the first board since then that has awoken the beast.

 

[Misanthrope]

Really? you should not care so much. So much passion so little gain you can get from this...do not let it get to you

 

[Lina]

i found that when i didn't let it out, when i kept it bottled inside, i became more hate-filled and misanthropic, and quite lonely. i walked around despising everyone, assuming everyone was inept. i still think most are, but this board has exposed me to many intelligent people. it's quite therapeutic to vent my frustrations here. then i'm purged of them when i deal with the idiots outside.

 

[Satori]

Originally posted by Lina
in fact, when i run into people from my old church who question why i haven't been there, i just tell them i'm going to another church -- not, "i'm an athiest, and you're stupid." i'm not as bombastic in person as i am on this board. i come to this board precisely because i can't have these conversations with the people i come into contact with every day.

Me too!

Satori

 

[brightoffski]

Wuow... I can see that people are taking my thoughts and views and twisting them round a bit, hopefully not intentionally.

Lina, I do not consider the 'world being flat' a more satisfying explanation as to the shape of the Earth than a 'flattened sphere'. I am not a modern dark ages kinda guy...

And as far as Evolution, yes LIKE I SAID, I consider it a very satisfying biological model, but I am also wary that Scientific fact is itself constantly changing through use of advanced techniques and even with completely new perspectives being offered. It still just an interpretation of patterns between man and environment.

You may consider this a worthless exercise and I know it has gone past the scope of your original thread starter, but as a future Scientist I find this important.

I am not deliberately trying to cause pains or annoyance....!

 

[brightoffski]

Originally posted by Satori


When people thought the earth was flat they were unaware of a great many things and the did not have any form of logic or proof to back up their claims. But we have logic and proof to back up evolution, hell, we can even see it happening right now, this is some pretty substantial evidence which just cannot be compared to primitive humans thinking the world was flat. The 2 cannot be equated.

These are rather simplistic examples to get my point across. But nevertheless, the advent of traditional scientific logical thought has not extinguished more subtle examples from history.

However, humouring this idea momentarily, this does not at all change the fact that evolution is a much better model of explaining the origins of life on earth than is religion/creationism, and that is the true debate here, it's about what's most likely and most logical, and evolution is the clear winner by far, so much so in fact that to entertain such an outlandish story as creationism is just absurd beyond on hope.

Awww man, can we forget religion here for a minute. A challenge to evolution does not mean an assertion for creationalism. I am quite sure that it wasn't just religion that played a part in this mindset. I am not sure where all of this come out of my post...

No one should consider evolution as 'gospel', this is a complete insult to science itself, and here's why: Science is about finding the answers to questions no matter what the answers might be, but it never stops searching, the door is alway open for further discovery, and it has to be, if it wasn't, it's not science. If someone took evolution as 'gospel', they are closing their minds to further advancements and are therefore being quite against everything that science itself is built on.

I see Satori, you didn't recognise my cheap humour and thus you must have then thought I had contradicted myself. This is precisely what I was trying to say. Evolution is not 'gospel' (inverted commas), it is not certain fact, it is a thereom that happens to satisfy a great number of the non-religous human race (including myself - biologically), but it is still changing. Who knows what 'Evolution' will mean in another hundered years. It was through the tone of assertions that people are stupid if they do not consider 'Evolution', as it stands now, as fact. Perhaps it was intended in more broad sense, but for a while it didn't sound that way.

Let's not forget what evolution is being compared to here. Questioning evolution (since we can see it going on right now) is a lot like questioning whether or not the world is actually round, to our best knowledge and evidence, we know it is, therefore this is not in question. Anyone who questions the roundness of the earth is simply blind.

I am not going into the sensitivity to alternative viewpoints, but I happened to agree with you there. I feel that here, maybe I am not wasting my time by committing all of this thought to text.

Anyway, this is what I meant by it being 'convenient' to assert current Scientific thinking as 'fact'. It makes common sense FOR humans, including myself. But it is still not true fact and I really do think this is important, scientific fact has many, sometimes fundamental generational changes. Obviously 'facts' like the world is roughly spherical are not going to bring about any scientific debate these days. And I think you came a little close to equating those two things that could not be equated.

Weary...
Daniel.

 

[Lina]

Originally posted by brightoffski
Lina, I do not consider the 'world being flat' a more satisfying explanation as to the shape of the Earth than a 'flattened sphere'. I am not a modern dark ages kinda guy...

what is this in reference to? i'm not being snotty, just a communication problem.

but to get to your main point, i agree, as satori has stated as well, that "science" is continuously coming up with new ideas and "facts." so i absolutely agree with you there.

where you lose me is that you have to agree that SOME things we can close the book on, assume we know the answer to. we KNOW we're breathing oxygen. we KNOW trees give off oxygen. there are fundamental "truths" that we know about our world and our existence. agreed?

to me, evolution is one of those. we will definitely make adjustments and fine-tunings to our understanding of it, but the basics of evolution cannot be denied. it is visible everywhere.

even if you're NOT claiming that creationism is the only other alternative to evolution (which i know you're not), there is still sufficient evidence for evolution on its own merits, not simply because it "makes more sense than creationism." i don't think we've limited ourselves to "well, it's got to be one or the other, fellas." there is proof of evolution. it's a fact of our existence. we don't understand everything about it, but that doesn't negate what we DO understand about it. and what we DO understand about it is enough to establish it as fact.

sorry if that was confusing.

 

[Evisceratrix]

Yes, hatred, discrimination, fear, etc.

.....well, hey feel free to do it, but i personally abhor and wont accept generalizations. i take people an individual at a time.

Ahh, I see how they are "thinking", but are they REALLY? I don't think so. Why would they adopt a religion as factual and at the same time disregard the most basic assertions of the religion as outlined in the bible?

i was asserting that they would do that because they were forming ideas in their head instead of letting the bible do it for them. that they were shedding one of those dogmas of the religion (that the bible is perfect and to be taken literally) and instead realizing that perhaps some political agendas/ulterior motives throughout history could have influenced much of its content....

i think they would adopt a religion as factual and disregard the most basic assertions of it because they are more concerned with their INDIVIDUAL relationship with the christian God than fitting into a groups idea of it.

While they may be light years ahead of their fundamentalist counterparts, they are still blinded by the myth. They may call themselves christians, but they aren't, they are just people caught somewhere in the middle between being religiously blinded and totally awake.

"dog-ma-tism\dog-me-t-zem\n: positiveness in stating matters of opinion esp. when unwarranted or arrogant"

It's cool that they are awake enough to disregard some/most of what the religion teaches, and awake enough to see the facts in front of their eyes, but they are no yet awake enough to just forget the mythology entirely. Instead, they struggle to find ways to adapt the myth and find new interpretations which helps them to cling to the myth which they probably know in their minds is just bullshit, but they just can't let go.

well, i see how you believe that-but you are continuing to sound more dogmatic than most christians ive encountered!

what mythology/religion/stories have meant to people throughout time is undeniable-
if you want a list of excellent books that scientifically explore the subject, let me know

whoa, anathema's 'we the gods' just jumped in my head..nice ... well, its a good song that in my personal interpretation illustrates my ideology on all this! that spirituality is......hmmm....i wont say necessary because thats not what im after......ok integral to human civilization and to the human psyche! and its expressed in many forms. i feel theres no need to go bashing people for it when they keep it to themselves. which is what those who i consider the 'thinking' christians are doing-
but thats not good enough for you. all those who are religious are just not thinking! they are just "poor misguided individuals"
---i question who ecxactly is "blinded"...


and look at this statement!-

Besides this, she was ethically obligated to encourage her praying because prayer (just like visualization, hypnosis, yoga, and meditation) helps stimulate the body's own natual processes of healing.

doesnt that show (scientifically even!) what religion/spirituality means to people!? why would you want to take that away from them, if theyre leaving you alone?

Religions are so fucking stupid, all of them, just incredibly stupid. They are so stupid that it's easy to think that those that follow them must be stupid as well, and while this is most often the case, a lot people are just borderline intelligent and are brainwashed from an early age, so it's not really their fault. Join me in my pity of these poor misguided individuals.

if you sit down and look at some myths/religions from all over the world, satori, from ancient greek myths to native american myths and even christianity-there are themes that occur over and over and over again (ive got scholarly, non-religious books that get into that as well). its amazing and its humbling. theres something basic and primal in humans and our nature that these mythologies from different times and places all express. to say that they are all bullshit and that "every religion is stupid, so fucking stupid...those who follow them must be stupid as well" is....stupid.
it may not be for you or me- but its essential to BILLIONS of people on this planet, and i feel its ridiculous for you to assert that i am so much better than so many people, or that i should pity them!
disagree with them, maybe.....but pity them?

ill leave the pitying all to you.

Ahem. A more "sensible viewpoint on things"???? How in the hell could this be more sensible? There is absolutely NOTHING logical or sensible about mixing an absolute science like evolution with an absolute myth like christianity or any other religion, they don't mix, they are 2 complete distinct things and they have nothing in common.

to you, perhaps. you just dont think other people can believe otherwise...
refer to the word conveniently defined above that describes such thinking......

a quote from albert einstein describes how i feel about it-

"All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. All these aspirations are directed toward ennobling man's life, lifting it from the sphere of mere physical existence and leading the individual towards freedom." - Albert Einstein

so if its not really harming anyone else, i feel let it be to each their own!

Nah, I don't think you need to be worrying about that! But if you are bothered by it, why not just join the taliban and become a suicide bomber. By adopting their faith, you are guaranteed to have a nice "afterlife" free of burning and such, hehe.

umm, you might want to go freshen up your knowledge of the islamic religion, which DOES NOT condone murder or suicide. the taliban perfectly display the phenomenon of sick twists being put on religions by those who fall into the herd mentality.

which is why i made my post about how good it is to see SOME people involved in at least one particular religion finally breaking away from that after thousands of years.

 

[Evisceratrix]

So it's admirable to lie to people because they refuse to believe the truth? Hmmm...ok.

you apparently think so!

in fact, when i run into people from my old church who question why i haven't been there, i just tell them i'm going to another church -- not, "i'm an athiest, and you're stupid."

To be honest, I wasn't really critiquing the doctor. I realize he's got to make his buck. I just think it's unfortunate that he's considered "insensitive" if he explains something as obvious as evolution. it's a shame that society has sunk to accomodate the lowest denominator.

yes, your right, it really is! ohhhhhh how id love to tell some of those rude ass people i encounter at the cd store just how annoying i think the music theyre buying is! hhehheheh. ohhhhhhh that would be sooooo nice....."blackfoot SUCKS!!! get out of here!"

and yeah, the little pink guy after my comment about gas chambers was to show i was kidding. hey, i totally know what you mean, about how people just....dont think! i just personally feel its better to humor or accept it, or you run the risk of going insane.....

in person i don't push these kinds of debates. i even did poorly in a class because i skipped it so much simply because i couldn't stand to hear such predictable, middle-school, uninformed views. and i knew that nothing i said would make them pay any more attention to the news in between their frat parties. therefore they weren't worth my time.

i tried to state in a debate in my sophomore enlish class in high school that there were some women in the world who who were capable of kicking some guy's asses-(say chyna that wrestling chick versus michael jackson!) all the frat guys (yes they were around in high school even! bleh!) went off-and absolutely no one would agree-"no, its a fact, ALL men are physically stronger than ALL women" is what it came down to. and after that i never contributed to the debates. its just unbelievable!

i swear we debate shit a lot lina, but in all honesty i really think you kick ass.

now i want to go read....must detatch from computer!!AHH

 

[Lina]

Originally posted by Xtokalon
There are three kinds of people in the world, on this board. Religion haters, anti-science religion proseltyzers, and people like us, I suppose, who fend for a little tolerance and understanding in this world *against* the irresponsible 'triumphalism' of the former two groups.

Humpf, not how I would've phrased it. It's a shame that after all this time, you still think I was somehow born with the intention of insulting those evil christians and searching for ways to deny god's existence. hate to break it to you, but i'm just observing the evidence and forming a conclusion. you however have formed the same conclusion, and yet deny everything you know for the sake of playing devil's advocate. how noble.