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I have Metal Machine, but it suffers from the same problem. It has this harsh attack that sticks out more than any other aspect of the tone, makes it sound like the snare and kicks are very shallow.
SD2 "plastic" attack issues
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I have Metal Machine, but it suffers from the same problem. It has this harsh attack that sticks out more than any other aspect of the tone, makes it sound like the snare and kicks are very shallow.
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Clark Kent
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Turn the softness or hardness what was it? Anyways.. tweaking that according to midi source will make the snare sound extremely realistic. I don't like the kicks either so I just trigger them.
Fox Mulder
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Compression and transient design? I try keeping mine around 120 for normal hits.
Thanks. It's the first snare in MM (don't recall the name of it). I am sending it to a bus in parallel that has a HP/LP at 100/300Hz, a small 1 or 2dB boost at 200Hz, then transient shaper set to destroy, then that gets blended to taste with the regular snare sound (to add thump/weight/fatness); and just a slight high shelf boost of like 1dB on the regular snare track for a little more air.
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Forgot about that thread. Very interesting ill read and listen to the samples. Though my main problem is with the toms :s
Interesting trick 006! So u have the rangle drom 100 to 300 only blended with the original snare ill try that out! I got metal machine along with some other toontrack stuff but didnt get the chance to try it yet i REALLY hope i can get better toms with it
Interesting trick 006! So u have the rangle drom 100 to 300 only blended with the original snare ill try that out! I got metal machine along with some other toontrack stuff but didnt get the chance to try it yet i REALLY hope i can get better toms with it
Yup, exactly. Comparison clip (first half normal MM, second half with the parallel 200Hz added): https://dl.dropbox.com/u/794136/parallel 200Hz trick/without-with.mp3
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Jayrawk
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Why don't you just get the bulb presets from toontrack.
http://www.toontrack.com/products.asp?item=97
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I made that mistake, the presets are nothing like bulb's mixes and I don't believe they even point towards the right direction to achieve that sound.
miguelrx10d
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i'm in love with that edge on guitars, was that a recto?
Bropocalypse
Ben - Skin Smasher
The problem you're having here isn't the samples or the recorded sound its the programming.
Do not program everything at 127. You will make the drummer sound like a robot. That's the reason everything sounds plasticy.
Think of it in this way. If everything is the same level, it is already compressed. So effectively you are not even compressing. Change the velocities. Let it lose that power so you can bring it back together with compression. This will glue your drums down TIGHT.
kick : I personally leave at 127 then have realy quick bursts lower.
snare : never have all your hits on 127 most sample banks have those as crack rim shots. Wich drummer hits a rimshot everytime haha. Try setting main hits between 120-126 ( or just select all snare notes on random).
On rolls or fills apply the same effect but do it as right hand stronger than left and consecutive rolls not as hard as the first right hit UNLESS ITS accents.
A good snare roll will look like this.
R126 L120 R122 L117 R 122 L 118 r 120 L 117
That way that first r126 is your accent or "pulse".
Will make it sound much more realistic. Apply the same techniques to your toms too.
Do not program everything at 127. You will make the drummer sound like a robot. That's the reason everything sounds plasticy.
Think of it in this way. If everything is the same level, it is already compressed. So effectively you are not even compressing. Change the velocities. Let it lose that power so you can bring it back together with compression. This will glue your drums down TIGHT.
kick : I personally leave at 127 then have realy quick bursts lower.
snare : never have all your hits on 127 most sample banks have those as crack rim shots. Wich drummer hits a rimshot everytime haha. Try setting main hits between 120-126 ( or just select all snare notes on random).
On rolls or fills apply the same effect but do it as right hand stronger than left and consecutive rolls not as hard as the first right hit UNLESS ITS accents.
A good snare roll will look like this.
R126 L120 R122 L117 R 122 L 118 r 120 L 117
That way that first r126 is your accent or "pulse".
Will make it sound much more realistic. Apply the same techniques to your toms too.
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Thank you for the advice, but unfortunately that's not exactly the problem that I'm experiencing. The programming itself is sounding realistic enough, the problem is with the sounds, they have too much of that "point" and the usual solutions don't seem to help much. When I say "plastic" I'm not saying that the programming sounds fake, I'm referring to the sound itself having that plastic attack that is not very pleasant, even if it's just one hit isolated, everything sounds way too clicky.
I've never been saitisfied with the SD drums to be honest. I think if you buy all the add on kits and mess with it for hours on end you might get it the way you want.
But the reason stuff like the blending works better with samples (Take the trigger stuff it give you chance to blend 4 drum sounds in one) is because it thickens up the drum. SD leaves you with thinner drums just because they are what they are.
One technique worth looking it is using the decapitator plugin across the drum bus, it fattens it up a bit. Thats about as good as I got them.
But they are definitly right around here. Trigger, or the SSD 4 is the way to go, possibly combined with SD2.
Ive heard some good stuff with SD, but never anything that comes close to the real metal tones of proper sample replacement. Must be the way the room samples work.
I love these drums (sample replaced with the engineers own drum samples) Love the pointyness but yet how it manages to maintain a controlled size! The snare cracks perfectly for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTT6picaCoQ
But the reason stuff like the blending works better with samples (Take the trigger stuff it give you chance to blend 4 drum sounds in one) is because it thickens up the drum. SD leaves you with thinner drums just because they are what they are.
One technique worth looking it is using the decapitator plugin across the drum bus, it fattens it up a bit. Thats about as good as I got them.
But they are definitly right around here. Trigger, or the SSD 4 is the way to go, possibly combined with SD2.
Ive heard some good stuff with SD, but never anything that comes close to the real metal tones of proper sample replacement. Must be the way the room samples work.
I love these drums (sample replaced with the engineers own drum samples) Love the pointyness but yet how it manages to maintain a controlled size! The snare cracks perfectly for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTT6picaCoQ
ZanetheVocalist
Infamous Procrastinator
Someone should post a comparison between a "plastic" sounding snare and a normal one. I'm not familiar with the term used to describe the sound.
