Okay, perhaps I'll get flamed here for posting a rant like this but here we go anyway!
This thread is directed only at some people here.
I want to say that it is always interesting when people say that a band has "turned to shit" or is a "shit band" or whatever. It's especially interesting that some of the bands being accused of producing "shit" also happen to be imo some of the best bands IMO!!
For example: Dream Theater, Nightwish, Porcupine Tree, etc. etc....
For a band to really be "shit", I expect it to sound like shit!
Does anyone here TRULY think Dream theater, Nightwish, or Porcupine Tree is really producing shit now?
It's one thing to say you don't like a band's new releases anymore because they have: "Gone too soft", "Gone too heavy", "become too generic or mainstream", "the new cd sounds rushed or pushed out", "The new singer is not as unique or talented as the former singer of X Band", and on it goes.
Those are valid opinions. But to simply pass a very talented band off as "SHIT" because YOU don't like whatever changes the band has made is a harsh judgement and execution. Furthermore, I would like to see any of the people calling these bands newer material shit, try and do an album as good as the band they're accusing of becoming shit!
If you say this or that band is shit, then why can't you produce shit at the same level as that band? You mean, you can't even make shit?! It's easy to be an armchair critic passing off harsh judgements to others even though you couldn't do half as good yourself even if you tried!
Also, by passing such a harsh judgment off on a band (which are oftentimes very talented bands!) you are basically saying: "If this band changes style or does something that I don't like then it is shit!"
Hmmm.....Words like that must come from a supreme being perhaps?
It's fine for people to have opinions, and I'm not trying to censor anybody, (not that I could anyway), but I'm asking people to try and have at least a little bit of an open mind to a band changing directions sometimes without you calling it shit. I don't particularly like country or rap, but I won't call it shit. It's just not a style I like to listen to.
Now having said all this, I will admit there's some "musicians" who really don't have musical talent but still want to put their songs up on myspace for people to hear, and some of it really does sound quite bad to my ears. as in, the person can't sing in tune even with autotune!, the music is not thought out very good, and recorded very poorly. Yes, there are always going to be a certain percentage of people who are not musically gifted but still try anyway! With some of these people doing music, it's obvious to anybody's ears that it's not good sounding.
But I highly doubt that Dream Theater, for instance, has ever produced a "shit" album. They are true professionals that maybe wanted to do something that you didn't expect or like so much, but I've never heard them produce a shitty cd!
I have no doubt there's some people who might accuse Katatonia's NITND cd as being "shit" because it has more electronics and softer passages than ever before. Hopefully there are very few with an opinion like that, as it seems most really love the new Katatonia cd! Myself included. But what if Katatonia does something that you don't like on their next cd but the Kat boys like what they did? It doesn't mean it's shit!
I'm waiting for some flaming arrows to fly in my direction now
This thread is directed only at some people here.
I want to say that it is always interesting when people say that a band has "turned to shit" or is a "shit band" or whatever. It's especially interesting that some of the bands being accused of producing "shit" also happen to be imo some of the best bands IMO!!
For example: Dream Theater, Nightwish, Porcupine Tree, etc. etc....
For a band to really be "shit", I expect it to sound like shit!
Does anyone here TRULY think Dream theater, Nightwish, or Porcupine Tree is really producing shit now?
It's one thing to say you don't like a band's new releases anymore because they have: "Gone too soft", "Gone too heavy", "become too generic or mainstream", "the new cd sounds rushed or pushed out", "The new singer is not as unique or talented as the former singer of X Band", and on it goes.
Those are valid opinions. But to simply pass a very talented band off as "SHIT" because YOU don't like whatever changes the band has made is a harsh judgement and execution. Furthermore, I would like to see any of the people calling these bands newer material shit, try and do an album as good as the band they're accusing of becoming shit!
If you say this or that band is shit, then why can't you produce shit at the same level as that band? You mean, you can't even make shit?!
It's easy to be an armchair critic passing off harsh judgements to others even though you couldn't do half as good yourself even if you tried!Also, by passing such a harsh judgment off on a band (which are oftentimes very talented bands!) you are basically saying: "If this band changes style or does something that I don't like then it is shit!"
Hmmm.....Words like that must come from a supreme being perhaps?
It's fine for people to have opinions, and I'm not trying to censor anybody, (not that I could anyway), but I'm asking people to try and have at least a little bit of an open mind to a band changing directions sometimes without you calling it shit. I don't particularly like country or rap, but I won't call it shit. It's just not a style I like to listen to.
Now having said all this, I will admit there's some "musicians" who really don't have musical talent but still want to put their songs up on myspace for people to hear, and some of it really does sound quite bad to my ears. as in, the person can't sing in tune even with autotune!, the music is not thought out very good, and recorded very poorly. Yes, there are always going to be a certain percentage of people who are not musically gifted but still try anyway! With some of these people doing music, it's obvious to anybody's ears that it's not good sounding.
But I highly doubt that Dream Theater, for instance, has ever produced a "shit" album. They are true professionals that maybe wanted to do something that you didn't expect or like so much, but I've never heard them produce a shitty cd!
I have no doubt there's some people who might accuse Katatonia's NITND cd as being "shit" because it has more electronics and softer passages than ever before. Hopefully there are very few with an opinion like that, as it seems most really love the new Katatonia cd! Myself included. But what if Katatonia does something that you don't like on their next cd but the Kat boys like what they did? It doesn't mean it's shit!
I'm waiting for some flaming arrows to fly in my direction now
