mentalmeltdown said:As someone who was born and lived in former Yugoslavia from 1979 until 1995, I can affirm beyond all doubt that it was Milosevic who "started it all". Sure, the political situation started deteriorating after Tito's death in 1980. Milosevic rode the wave of surging nationalism by flinging fuel to the fire with now legendary quotes which were more or less based on same ones used by any state leader seeking to demonize his opponents. Croatian leader Tudjman had pretensions towards parts of Bosnia as well but, he did not have the JNA (Yugoslav national army) at his disposal in every single republic and 2 autonom provinces like Milosevic had.
As for the suffering, there are facts and mutliple proofs such as mass graves (Srebrenica), concentration camps, mass rapes of bosnian (read: muslim) women by Serbian and JNA troops. Things like these haven't happened in so big a scale in Croatia and Kosovo.
And now to the part where I mostly disagree with you:
Quote: "So, just as many Serbs where expelled from their homes, especially now in Kosovo. Remember, too, that some of the worst fighting in Bosnia happened during the Croatian/ Muslim conflict in areas near Mostar. Of course, much of that wasn't reported because you couldn't work in Slobodan directly....."
First of all, saying there were Serbs in Croatia is like saying there were Californians living in Nevada. The case is rather people that you refer to as "serbs" comprise croatians, bosnians or serbs (from Serbia!) of orthodox faith. People always make the same mistake when talking about this conflict: Bosnian is a nationality - a person who was born or lives in Bosnia. As a Bosnian you can be of Catholic, Muslim, Orthodox, Jewish, Buddhist, Taoist or whatever faith you want to be.
of course, there were Serbs expelled from their homes. As for Croatia, the orthodox people in those regions invaded parts of croatia and made for their own independent republic. Were the croats gonna stand for it? Of course not! Were there huge exodus of people from the so-called independent republic of Krajina? to a much lesser extent than it was made to be by the serbian propaganda.
As for some of the worst fighting in Bosnia, while it's true that muslims and catholics fought around Mostar, you should also tell about the terrible fighting where the JNA, and serb and bosnian orthodox paramilitaries attacked civilians (many instances: Sarajevo, Zepa, Srebrenica, Bratunac, Visegrad, Gorazde, etc.) as well as the fights in the north to maintain "the corridor" arround the city of Brcko, which was the heaviest front in Bosnia and of biggest importance after Sarajevo.
There it goes. A big fucking post about a totally Anthrax unrelated topic but whatcha gonna do... I feel strongly about the subject having lost most of my youth in the war and having seen the Goebbelsian serbian propaganda directed against Bosnia and me and my people (for the record, I'm a bosnian catholic).
Cheers. John Bush rules. I'm a reunion basher.
Bye!
I am not going to debate you about how's too blame because you have seem to have an axe to grind and slightly nationalistic. But when you compare Serbs in Croatia to Californians in Nevada it's silly. If you are from there then you know that 'Serbian" and Croatian" function both as national and ethnic/ and or tribal designations. Hence, the entantaglement between nation and ethnicity became pretty horrifying in Bosna. The problem in Bosna is a long history of entaglements between religion, ethnicity, and nationality. Milosevic, by the time he came along, fueled the fires, helped foster the ethno-national fracturing of Yugoslavia by helping to provide moral and financial support for the Bosnian Serb army, the Croatian Serb army, and of course used his own police to kill ethnic Albanians in Kosovo.
Just as in Kosovo, a large ethinic Albanian population always lived there, a large ethnic Serbian population lived in Croatia. No one but a Serb nationalist would deny the existence of ethnic Albanians in Kosovo, and no one but a Croatian nationalist would deny the existence of ethnic Serbs in Croatia.