So what happened to Mary?
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General Zod
Ruler of Australia
I'm not sure what would lead you to this conclusion. Is there something specific in the lyrics? If Father William wanted to take his own life, why did he wait for Nikki to show up to kill him before doing so? Beyond that, the timing would be a little strange. Nikki, who is a hitman, shows up to kill someone he's been told to kill, and then hands him a loaded gun so that he can kill himself?Dark One said:
If anything, Father William saying, "Thank you", would seem to indicate that Nikki ended his suffering, something that he himself did not have the guts to do.
Zod
Dark One
The Tainted Dogma
I suppose I could be looking for something deeper than what Nikki's mission was on the the surface - I guess I always felt Father William was overwrought with feelings of guilt about Mary, saving her from Times Square only to revel in the hypocrisy as part of the problem, not the solution.
dorian gray
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General Zod
Ruler of Australia
I agree with that. However, I always thought that's why he thanked Nikki, right before Nikki shot him (for putting him out of his misery).Dark One said:
Zod
Dark One
The Tainted Dogma
General Zod said:
Damn, I wanted so bad to believe that there was something else going on in that scene, but your black & white relaying of the seemingly obvious is compelling enough to make me feel quite foolish. LOL
Anyway, I first tried to interpret that stuff when I was still in high school (a freshman to be precise), so much of the "deeper meaning" I had so much fun looking for back then was the product of a youthful mind eager to tell everyone that I knew the story inside and out and had all the answers. I had a blast with it at the time.
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
The fact that we're still discussing this CD, 20 years later, is a testament to its greatness. To my mind, its standing as the greatest Metal CD of all-time remains unchallenged.
Zod
Zod
Dark One
The Tainted Dogma
General Zod said:
Yeah, that was my whole point. The withdrawl symptoms from drug addiction cause mass hysteria and hallucinations. In fact, this is the time when the junkie is at a complete loss with reality.
I take it you haven't seen or read Trainspotting? Put it this way, when Renton decides to go cold turkey from his heroin addiction, he ends up seeing dead babies crawling....on his ceiling.
I always thought of "The Needle Lies" as being a moment of hysteria or delerium. Even the song itself is pretty 'frantic'.
But if the actual story (or explanation) is that Dr X did it, then so be it. I'm not sure if it is open to suggestion anymore.
With that said, there are lots of people who believe that Kevin Spacey was not Keyser Soze.
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
I'm going solely by the lyrics.JayKeeley said:
He wasn't. There is no Keyser Soze. He's a myth, a spook story that criminals tell their kids at night.JayKeeley said:
Zod
General Zod said:
Yeah or the video, right? I've never seen Video Mindcrime or whatever it was called.
And just like that....*puff*....he's gone.
This album just never ever ever gets old. I put it on the other day, thinking I'd listen to the first couple of tracks, and I just had to go all the way through to the end.
I've also decided that "Eyes of a Stranger" is an anthem of anthems. Not necessarily the best song on the album, but it's so recognizable, the intro riff should go into some hall of fame or something.
By the way, does anyone know what happens in part 2?
I've also decided that "Eyes of a Stranger" is an anthem of anthems. Not necessarily the best song on the album, but it's so recognizable, the intro riff should go into some hall of fame or something.
By the way, does anyone know what happens in part 2?
J.
Old Fart
for all the talk we have on modern day metal, you'd think there'd be much more enthusiastic banter on the greatest album of all time!!!
EricT
Don't you ever get...
Haha, I guess you had to be there. Or not. There are new metalheads listening to all metal has to offer from 1970-2007 and still saying Op Mindcrime is a once in a lifetime accomplishment.
