So what happened to the "blacks are dumber" thread?

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http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article3067222.ece?123
Fury at DNA pioneer's theory: Africans are less intelligent than Westerners
Celebrated scientist attacked for race comments: "All our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really"
By Cahal Milmo
Published: 17 October 2007

One of the world's most eminent scientists was embroiled in an extraordinary row last night after he claimed that black people were less intelligent than white people and the idea that "equal powers of reason" were shared across racial groups was a delusion.

James Watson, a Nobel Prize winner for his part in the unravelling of DNA who now runs one of America's leading scientific research institutions, drew widespread condemnation for comments he made ahead of his arrival in Britain today for a speaking tour at venues including the Science Museum in London.

The 79-year-old geneticist reopened the explosive debate about race and science in a newspaper interview in which he said Western policies towards African countries were wrongly based on an assumption that black people were as clever as their white counterparts when "testing" suggested the contrary. He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade.

The newly formed Equality and Human Rights Commission, successor to the Commission for Racial Equality, said it was studying Dr Watson's remarks " in full". Dr Watson told The Sunday Times that he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really". He said there was a natural desire that all human beings should be equal but "people who have to deal with black employees find this not true".

His views are also reflected in a book published next week, in which he writes: "There is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so."

The furore echoes the controversy created in the 1990s by The Bell Curve, a book co-authored by the American political scientist Charles Murray, which suggested differences in IQ were genetic and discussed the implications of a racial divide in intelligence. The work was heavily criticised across the world, in particular by leading scientists who described it as a work of " scientific racism".

Dr Watson arrives in Britain today for a speaking tour to publicise his latest book, Avoid Boring People: Lessons from a Life in Science. Among his first engagements is a speech to an audience at the Science Museum organised by the Dana Centre, which held a discussion last night on the history of scientific racism.

Critics of Dr Watson said there should be a robust response to his views across the spheres of politics and science. Keith Vaz, the Labour chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee, said: "It is sad to see a scientist of such achievement making such baseless, unscientific and extremely offensive comments. I am sure the scientific community will roundly reject what appear to be Dr Watson's personal prejudices.

"These comments serve as a reminder of the attitudes which can still exists at the highest professional levels."

The American scientist earned a place in the history of great scientific breakthroughs of the 20th century when he worked at the University of Cambridge in the 1950s and 1960s and formed part of the team which discovered the structure of DNA. He shared the 1962 Nobel Prize for medicine with his British colleague Francis Crick and New Zealand-born Maurice Wilkins.

But despite serving for 50 years as a director of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory on Long Island, considered a world leader in research into cancer and genetics, Dr Watson has frequently courted controversy with some of his views on politics, sexuality and race. The respected journal Science wrote in 1990: "To many in the scientific community, Watson has long been something of a wild man, and his colleagues tend to hold their collective breath whenever he veers from the script."

In 1997, he told a British newspaper that a woman should have the right to abort her unborn child if tests could determine it would be homosexual. He later insisted he was talking about a "hypothetical" choice which could never be applied. He has also suggested a link between skin colour and sex drive, positing the theory that black people have higher libidos, and argued in favour of genetic screening and engineering on the basis that " stupidity" could one day be cured. He has claimed that beauty could be genetically manufactured, saying: "People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think it would great."

The Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory said yesterday that Dr Watson could not be contacted to comment on his remarks.

Steven Rose, a professor of biological sciences at the Open University and a founder member of the Society for Social Responsibility in Science, said: " This is Watson at his most scandalous. He has said similar things about women before but I have never heard him get into this racist terrain. If he knew the literature in the subject he would know he was out of his depth scientifically, quite apart from socially and politically."

Anti-racism campaigners called for Dr Watson's remarks to be looked at in the context of racial hatred laws. A spokesman for the 1990 Trust, a black human rights group, said: "It is astonishing that a man of such distinction should make comments that seem to perpetuate racism in this way. It amounts to fuelling bigotry and we would like it to be looked at for grounds of legal complaint."
The dude sounds like a bit of a douche, but what if there actually is evidence to support this? The majority opinion only panics when someone brings up a race (and possibly gender) issue, otherwise it is fair game open for discussion.

My problem with racial stereotyping is that there is always the exception to the rule, so therefore judging a person's behaviour based simply on their race is inherently flawed logic. Too many other factors.
 
Said thread was likely the victim of the PC police. It's never a good sign when any sort of counter-perspective is automatically shut down on the basis that it deals with an inflammatory issue. That's usually a guaranteed way of making the issue even more problematic.
 
In 1997, he told a British newspaper that a woman should have the right to abort her unborn child if tests could determine it would be homosexual.

So you can test for homosexuality? It's a physical trait?

He has also suggested a link between skin colour and sex drive, positing the theory that black people have higher libidos, and argued in favour of genetic screening and engineering on the basis that " stupidity" could one day be cured.

Where the white women at?

He has claimed that beauty could be genetically manufactured, saying: "People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think it would great."

So beauty is not in the eye of the beholder after all.

What the hell. They'll give Nobel Peace Prizes to anyone these days. Sorry Al. :loco:
 
"These comments serve as a reminder of the attitudes which can still exists at the highest professional levels."

Mhm, like the notion of the freedom of scientific research, not controlled by a politically correct agenda?

Moreover, this was based on some sort of research, not just the whims of your random bigot -- in a position like his, you don't make claims like these without having some serious studies to back it up with.
 
Mhm, like the notion of the freedom of scientific research, not controlled by a politically correct agenda?

Moreover, this was based on some sort of research, not just the whims of you random bigot -- in a position like his, you don't make claims like these without having some serious studies to back it up with.
I agree with these sentiments, however this dude definitely seems like he has a racially motivated agenda. Not that he shouldn't try and find these proving genes "within a decade" like he claims, but it might not be a bad idea to consider the source.
He's talking to you, NADatar.
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So you can test for homosexuality? It's a physical trait?
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Could be considered masturbation I suppose. Yay science!
 
Not surprising, when you say shit like:
He said there was a natural desire that all human beings should be equal but "people who have to deal with black employees find this not true"
I mean other than the OBVIOUS hilarity of that comment, being akin to your grandma yelling "my pals!" at the neighbour and then wondering why everyone is shocked, he raised his own Marxist blush-inducing giant-sized red flag.
 
ok but really, I want this old dude to complete a similar study between whites and chinese and south asians and latinos

if there's different ranking between blacks and whites, why stop there. Include the other races too and start ranking against who's doing best in the school classroom.

ColoUr me curious. :loco:
 
I don't think you'll be finding too much objectivity from him, unless by "objectivity" you mean "preparing the hanging tree," in which case you might be in luck!

What about the Bell Curve? Didn't that do essentially the same thing, categorizing everything by race? I never read it, and honestly don't know terribly much about it, but methinks I might do a 5 minute Wikipedia-ing to educate me own arse right about... now.
 
You realize that was our old friend, "GIVE US US FREE".
haha, I didn't. I never watched that whole movie, one day maybe I shall. GIVE ME ROOTS OR GIVE ME... BLACK RAGE.

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The heading says "When you're a slave, you only have one weapon:" freakin' genius. :lol:
 
It is my experience as a teacher that teens with African heritage who are roughly as well versed in the Norwegian language and way of life as the average Norwegian teenager, does about as well in school. But I also know that the more of their own culture they insist on holding on to, the dumber they are, so I am inclined to believe that the problem lies in that department instead, rather than in some "intelligence DNA/gene/thing".