So you want a tight mix?
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this goes out to those, complaining about music to be non-musical due to their recording/production!
WTF
YOU reduce music to its production!
LISTEN to that fucking music! There's someone out there who wrote that piece of music! And someone who recorded/produced it!
When I sit down and record one old school metallica song in 1 take am I musical?
NO I'm NOT! Because I didn't wrote that song!
To compare Britney Spears with this kind of music is ridiculous!
She is the interpreter not the composer!
sry for being a little bit rude!
hope you got my point
WTF
YOU reduce music to its production!
LISTEN to that fucking music! There's someone out there who wrote that piece of music! And someone who recorded/produced it!
When I sit down and record one old school metallica song in 1 take am I musical?
NO I'm NOT! Because I didn't wrote that song!
To compare Britney Spears with this kind of music is ridiculous!
She is the interpreter not the composer!
sry for being a little bit rude!
hope you got my point
Dom Ostarig
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alan1990
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what do you guys do for tremolo picked parts got a band in here now that cant play the whole riff perfect but can play the 4 notes on each fret ok but theses 4 note sections arent editing together as easily as other riffs without sounding way to robotic
do it by 4 note sections then get him to play along with the whole thing... do a really quick punch-in-punch-out in between each fret change to get the slide in there.
joeymusicguy
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all you people who complain about how this sucks is because you're fucking lazy
wake the fuck up
wake the fuck up
P-E
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Depends what you mean by that. If you're talking about editing to fuck, instead of editing for it to sound normal well, partly. To be honest, music is meant to be played and sound like it, kind of. AS LONG AS IT SOUNDS GOOD AND IT FITS.
If you're just talking about editing for it to sound good and fitting and people not saying oh well, that singer's out of tune, the drums are sloppy and out of time, and the overall sounding good, then we agree. Unfortunately, I get why you get to edit a lot more as a lot of people care more about image than performance and that shows when they enter recording studios.
For some people though (I happen to be one of them, depending on the mix), some slight unperfections are welcomed, as it makes it sound much more natural. "All my love" by Led Zep has a mistake in the keyboard solo and is still a great song, and of course, tech death or pradacore or whatever it is you mix, I agree should be edited so it sounds perfectly clean, but brutal death metal, punk or hardcore doesn't have to, and most melodic death or heavy metal, for example, can sound very well even if it's not edited note by note.
JayB
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This entire debate has already been played out, probably word for word, when fancy tricks like overdubbing and triggers were new and exciting.
Sadly, there hasn't been a useful thing added to the discussion since people argued over whether overdubbing was dehumanizing the music industry, and I doubt there ever will be.
Music, like any other form of art, is entirely subjective. A particular technique or style isn't inherently good or bad. If you like it, great. If you don't, fine. If someone else wants their generic pop-rock Autotuned down to the cent and quantized down to the 512th note, they're perfectly entitled to do so.
Personally, I'd be interested to see how much editing various albums/bands have used - for instance, whether there's ever any studio magic helping Jon Schaffer or James Hetfield keep things tight, and if so how much.
Now, having said all of that, I think it's quite acceptable to laugh at any artists who use editing to compensate for sloppy technique, especially when it's noticeable. I remember seeing a video, a few months back, where some chick singer had Autotune cranked up *so* much that there was a constant robo-vibrato thing (think T-Pain, but shifting at about 120bpm even on held notes) going on with her voice - I refuse to entertain the notion that it might have been an intentional effect.
Sadly, there hasn't been a useful thing added to the discussion since people argued over whether overdubbing was dehumanizing the music industry, and I doubt there ever will be.
Music, like any other form of art, is entirely subjective. A particular technique or style isn't inherently good or bad. If you like it, great. If you don't, fine. If someone else wants their generic pop-rock Autotuned down to the cent and quantized down to the 512th note, they're perfectly entitled to do so.
Personally, I'd be interested to see how much editing various albums/bands have used - for instance, whether there's ever any studio magic helping Jon Schaffer or James Hetfield keep things tight, and if so how much.
Now, having said all of that, I think it's quite acceptable to laugh at any artists who use editing to compensate for sloppy technique, especially when it's noticeable. I remember seeing a video, a few months back, where some chick singer had Autotune cranked up *so* much that there was a constant robo-vibrato thing (think T-Pain, but shifting at about 120bpm even on held notes) going on with her voice - I refuse to entertain the notion that it might have been an intentional effect.
joeymusicguy
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I don't know what to think of all of this. I read through the thread as it went from the beginning and started to post then decided not to haha. Basically I can see why some bands/genres etc would need or want this kind of treatment. Now for myself, as a musician, I would not be ok with this on one of my tracks. I'd like to think if people told me my playing was great I could be proud of that... because ya know, they actually heard a real performance and like what I did. That kind of punching does suck inidividuality out, but let's be real that's not a concern or a goal of a lot of this music. But yeah aligning me to a grid or someone else to a grid is going to sound the same with one of you master editors. So I can see why some would want/need it. Just not me.
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That was me playing
I know it was outta tune, I did it like 1 min just to mess about with reamping...
I'm really interested in trying this out myself, I can see how on some sections it would improve the overall sound no end.
"or when a young band gets picked up by a label because you made them work hard on their record, it's very rewarding."
But its not them who's working that hard on their record, its you, right?
I don't mean that in a rude way but do you know what I mean or am i just talking shit haha
But its not them who's working that hard on their record, its you, right?
I don't mean that in a rude way but do you know what I mean or am i just talking shit haha
Lionwing
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I think I've arrived late at this party but just for anyone who thinks that lots of punch-ins and overdubs must mean that you can't play your own riffs needs to listen to Death of a Dead Day by SiKTh. I think they must have spent hours over each individual riff just to make it as tight as a gnat's asshole but Dan Weller could still pull it off live with no imperfections.
My £0.02
My £0.02
I really don't think it's such a walk in the park for the bands that record with Joey. I imagine he's cracking his whip every take and watching them like a hawk making sure they provide him with what he wants/needs.
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That was me playing
I know it was outta tune, I did it like 1 min just to mess about with reamping...
I'm really interested in trying this out myself, I can see how on some sections it would improve the overall sound no end.
OWNED
From the studio videos I've seen - Dan Weller nails it like a SLUT, so I'm not sure about the punch-in thing. Great band
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