So you want a tight mix?

very interesting.........i do my fair share of editing but nothing close to this.....i dunno.....

but it would be interesting to hear a comparison to see how much the difference really is and if its worth the 7584 hrs of editing
 
Notuern said:
Not true at all.
...this is just so extreme that you might as well record every note on the guitar muted and unmuted, and sequence instead.
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I was thinking the same thing when I read the first post of this thread. I have actually thought about making a DI guitar sample library with every note on my fretboard muted, unmuted, pinch harmonic, etc.

Not for the music I make but as something that techno and dance programmers would be interested in.
 
A properly intonated guitar shouldn't need specific tuning for each chord. I've only done this when they've run some horrid instruments through the studio.

You know those natural pitch fluctuations and cent offsets on each note in a chord? They're called natural, and are desired. A piano sounds 'wrong' if it's perfectly in. This approach is so focused on pressing all the individuality and nuance out of instruments that you may as well lose touch with the reason for creating music altogether. Honestly, it's just putting it through some mechanical process. It is no longer art after this; it's just a regurgitation.

Moderation in all things, really.
 
Ermz said:
A properly intonated guitar shouldn't need specific tuning for each chord. I've only done this when they've run some horrid instruments through the studio.

You know those natural pitch fluctuations and cent offsets on each note in a chord? They're called natural, and are desired. A piano sounds 'wrong' if it's perfectly in. This approach is so focused on pressing all the individuality and nuance out of instruments that you may as well lose touch with the reason for creating music altogether. Honestly, it's just putting it through some mechanical process. It is no longer art after this; it's just a regurgitation.

Moderation in all things, really.
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yes...could as well just sample every note on the guitar and glue them together to create the melody/riff/solo...would sound pretty much the same (cause this IS what they're doing, just that they record the sample just before it's being put in and not record all the notes first and then string them together.
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just record all the notes seperately and trigger them with a quantized midi-track....pretty much the same result....and not musical at all (IMO of course)
 
GarethSE said:
HI GUYS THIS IS WHAT I TRIED TO SAY LAST TIME
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yeah, we understood you last time, and some of us agreed....
it was just the personal insults/attacks that just went to far (but I think you knew that;) ).
you're always welcome to vioce your opionions and concerns...just try to avoid sentences like "you suck, you're everything that is wrong with this world and you mother is a queef" :D (just wanted to use the word "queef" in a sentence, lol)
 
i made zero comments about anyone being pussy farts! although in hindsight maybe it wouldn't have hurt to throw that one in too.

but seriously, over-editing will be the death of music, it's going to date music from this decade like drum machine and synth abuse dated 80's music so badly.
 
GarethSE said:
but seriously, over-editing will be the death of music, it's going to date music from this decade like drum machine and synth abuse dated 80's music so badly.
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I'm inclined to agree, its all "we have these tools so we must use them as much as possible", like in the 80's - the drum reverbs, you use it too much and it doesn't sound real anymore, people realise twenty years down the line and think - "god that sounds fake, what was I thinking then?".
 
GarethSE said:
i made zero comments about anyone being pussy farts!
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as I said, I was just looking for an excuse to use that word ;)

GarethSE said:
it's going to date music from this decade like drum machine and synth abuse dated 80's music so badly.
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this is true...but to be honest..I don't think in 5 years this kind of music will be interesting to anyone anymore anyways
 
How can you guys say it's the "death" of music? For how ever long people will listen to music, there will be musicians such as yourselves who enjoy a more "natural" approach to music. Was disco the death of music? no. For however many people enjoy listening to edited music (in this sense), there will be people who don't, and they will continue to produce "natural" sounding music. Music will not die. If you don't enjoy it, don't listen to it.
 
cloy26 said:
How can you guys say it's the "death" of music? For how ever long people will listen to music, there will be musicians such as yourselves who enjoy a more "natural" approach to music. Was disco the death of music? no. For however many people enjoy listening to edited music (in this sense), there will be people who don't, and they will continue to produce "natural" sounding music. Music will not die. If you don't enjoy it, don't listen to it.
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I agree.
I'm only opposed to the statement "this is how everyone does it and how it HAS to be done to get a tight mix, this is the only way, if you don't know that you have no idea and will never get tight sounding mixes...I'm gonna show you how the real pros work"

Personally I say: do whatever works for you and your clients
 
I've just been listening to some good french electro stuff. Of course you get perfect beats and excessice production with that. Constructed from scratch. And that is brilliant. It's punchy as hell, it grooves...
Of course it's a matter of personal taste, but I think Metal (or Rock especially) is better off being more organic. Sloppy performances can be utilised to large extent. I love to hear when something is played on the verge of chaos. It's madness, it's aggressive, or I-just-don't-give-a-damn-cool. Venom! Any solo by Gary Moore! The Stones! It's ALL about the feeling with those bands and it's all sloppy. I'd say the majority of Rockbands is.
On the other side you get stuff like Nile, where slop would defeat the purpose. People wanna hear that to be impressed by technical prowess. So you go for it.
I don't think there's any shame in doing it. If you have a vision of your music then by all means go for it. Rammstein possibly wouldn't have a career without heavy editing.
...That being said: With a band sounding as bland as the one produced by the OP I'd leave as much slop in there as possible just to give 'em SOME kind of identity ^^
 
It is like women - everyone likes one kind of women. Big breasted, big ass-ed, small this, small that, no women at all! Everyone likes one way of doing music, and as long as it works for whoever is doing this, i think that's fine. I edit the heck out of my projects, but MOST OF THE TIME, time and budget do not allow me to edit so much and the market i work on does not require so much editing, so much perfection - I mean, clients, producers and listeners dont give a damn if it sounds perfect or not. But, if any part of the market (client, producer, listeners) require me to do so, i will have no problem with that. After all, that's my job and i need that to pay my bills. There's no right or wrong for that, just different ways for doing things.

BTW, wtf is queef ?
 
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