Socrates?

JColtrane

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What do you think the person of Socrates would look like if he was born today? Would he have a profession? Would the public approve of him? What things would he teach? What would he see as the great defect of our time? Would there be a specific group of people that Socrates would find error in? And finally, would you be able to answer his questions?
 
Unkempt and jobless, Socrates would begin his journey by asking questions of people in the street, gas stations and malls. He would find people not only hostile to his questions, but hostile to his appearance and apparent waste of his life. Most would tell him: " Get a job you bum," because work defines our existence these days. He surely would be repeatedly and condescendingly harrassed by the police. The so called intellectuals engaged in "deep" conversations in chain coffee houses, would ignore what the old coot had to say, and condescendingly offer him a dollar or some change to get rid of him. The professors in their ivory towers would dismiss him as a nut, and call up one of their enlightened professors of psychology if they actually took anything he said seriously.

Within a week, he would ask for and happily take hemlock.


Oh and there is an excellent book on Socrates by Luis Navia. It is one of the modern scholarly written for a university crowd books, but Navia's sense of humor and playful cynicism poke through every once and awhile. He is quite the scholar of Socrates, and claims through the sources, and Xenophon especially, that Socrates was done a grave injustice by one of his less than favorite pupils--Plato. Navia goes on to prove Socrates was the true father of Stoicism and Cynicism, and not Platonism.
 
speed said:
Oh and there is an excellent book on Socrates by Luis Navia. It is one of the modern scholarly written for a university crowd books, but Navia's sense of humor and playful cynicism poke through every once and awhile. He is quite the scholar of Socrates, and claims through the sources, and Xenophon especially, that Socrates was done a grave injustice by one of his less than favorite pupils--Plato. Navia goes on to prove Socrates was the true father of Stoicism and Cynicism, and not Platonism.

Whats the title of the book? Sounds like an interesting read.
 
Who says that the modern Socrates does not exist? If you never heard of him that doesn`t mean that he doesn`t exist.... Just like speed said: he would be a what we call a homeless guy who goes around people saying that they don`t know anything. Woud you accept such remark from such person? I don`t think so... So he is probably wondering the streets looking for someone to talk to....
 
speed said:
Unkempt and jobless, Socrates would begin his journey by asking questions of people in the street, gas stations and malls. He would find people not only hostile to his questions, but hostile to his appearance and apparent waste of his life. Most would tell him: " Get a job you bum," because work defines our existence these days. He surely would be repeatedly and condescendingly harrassed by the police. The so called intellectuals engaged in "deep" conversations in chain coffee houses, would ignore what the old coot had to say, and condescendingly offer him a dollar or some change to get rid of him. The professors in their ivory towers would dismiss him as a nut, and call up one of their enlightened professors of psychology if they actually took anything he said seriously.

Within a week, he would ask for and happily take hemlock.


Oh and there is an excellent book on Socrates by Luis Navia. It is one of the modern scholarly written for a university crowd books, but Navia's sense of humor and playful cynicism poke through every once and awhile. He is quite the scholar of Socrates, and claims through the sources, and Xenophon especially, that Socrates was done a grave injustice by one of his less than favorite pupils--Plato. Navia goes on to prove Socrates was the true father of Stoicism and Cynicism, and not Platonism.
awesome. and i need that book.

what's the title? looking on bn.com and amazon.com navia's books are mostly out of print and very expensive. god dammit!!!
 
Diogenes Laertius' Lives of the Eminent Philosophers offers a Plutarch-esque biography of Socrates and all the great Greek philosophers. A must read for any lover of philosophy.

Also one could always just pick up the source material Xenophon's v 3. here is the Loeb library reference. Xenophon was a contemporary of Socrates and Plato, and sharply criticized Plato's use of his teacher in his dialogues, as Plato was not even asked for at Socrates' death bed, nor did they share many of the same philosophical ideas. In effect, Plato looked up at this great man in admiration, but they held widely different philosophical beliefs.

VOLUME III. l922/7th printing/652pp., /map/index. MEMORABILIA AND OECONOMICUS Translated by E. C. Marchant SYMPOSIUM AND APOLOGIA Translated by O. J. Todd In Memorabilia or Memoirs of Socrates and in Oeconomicus, a dialogue about household management, we see the philosopher through Xenophon's eyes. Here, and in the accompanying Symposium we also obtain insight on life in Athens. The volume concludes with Xenophon's Apology, an interesting complement to Plato's account of Socrates' defense at his trial. Ostensibly an account of a dinner party in the summer of 421 B.C., Xenophon's Symposium is a vibrant picture of an Athenian evening of quiet entertainment and conversation. Among the guests Socrates is the central figure, and--as in Plato's Symposium--love is the main subject of debate. But the style here is more relaxed and less artful than in Plato's philosophical dialogue, yielding an engaging portrait of Socrates and of Athenian social life.