Torniojaws
They call me Juha
I think Kenny Lee meant that Tomas used the same drumkit for recording obZen as one of the kits available in Superior 2.0.
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Kenny Lee
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It's Tomas Bro!!!
I can't really say much as I'm a 'Beta Tester'. All I can say is..... DFHS 2.0 will be ALL you need to create extremely killer sounding drums. I have a few drum libraries from different sources, and I'm not just saying this because I'm a part of ToonTrack. 2.0 really is light years ahead of the competition and version 1. And version 1 is great ..... version 2.0 is INSANE!ok, i'll trust you, just ordered!
do you have any further information!?
S.
OK, here's the thing.... I have tons of plug-ins that I usually use with many of the DFHS tunes I make. Well, with 2.0 .... I really never even open those plugins up! Everything we need is ALL in DFHS 2.0
It's real drums and it's Tomas. They used some of the Avatar series samples on the CD.
Kenny Lee
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Hi, what makes a drumkit heavy sounding? I can put John Doe the neighborhood drummer wannbe on George Kollias' kit and I can guaranteed you.... it will sound NOTHING like George!
The drums will sound how you make them. I think DFHS 2.0 will be like you are the engineer (you'll have a incredible feature rich program) and how you program / mix / and do post work will be how your drums will sound.
Go to the ToonTrack site and I'm pretty sure your question has been answered several times over.
that's not right IMHO!
if the basis sound of the drum components is not "right"
no tweaking will help to get a good sound.
for example toms...if they are not tuned
right it just does not sound as it should.
cmon...just take a classic jazz kit and play some metal,
it WILL NOT sound good, no matter how expencie the set is,
and how good the drummer plays.
S.
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True to some extent, but a kit is either in tune or out of tune as far as I'm concerned, and to be even more broad it sounds good or it doesn't. I doubt that when making Superior drummer they didn't have it in mind to make things fairly general and useful to the majority of people using it....
Waterboy
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The S2 kit is awesome .... very thick (IMHO).
When you bring in those extra mic's that DFHS didn't have - it is really fun!
Been testing for the past weeks, and getting very creative with the tools that are included with S2.
In addition - you can still use DFHS kits, and the EZX's as well.
I am diggin' the direction and sound of S2 .... and don't forget that there will be another release in “The New York Studio Legacy Series” at the start of 2009.
These promise to be very good, too!!
FWIW
When you bring in those extra mic's that DFHS didn't have - it is really fun!
Been testing for the past weeks, and getting very creative with the tools that are included with S2.
In addition - you can still use DFHS kits, and the EZX's as well.
I am diggin' the direction and sound of S2 .... and don't forget that there will be another release in “The New York Studio Legacy Series” at the start of 2009.
These promise to be very good, too!!
FWIW
Machinated
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Waterboy: can you still bounce the tracks like before? or do you have to use the internal mixer like EZdrummer?
also how are the multiple outs in Logic, if you are using them?
also how are the multiple outs in Logic, if you are using them?
RemoWilliams
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Actually, I think what they mean is that no matter the set, one can usually tweak it to sound the way they want. Yeah, a jazz set will have a certain vibe to the sound of the drums, but a lot of guys here tweak and eq and replace parts of a drumset to where you wouldn't even be able to tell that they were on a "jazz set". Hell, Mike Portnoy used a "jazzy" type set on some songs from Octavarium and the sound from those drums wasn't too "jazzy".
Torniojaws
They call me Juha
One thing that bugs me in DFH/Ezdrummer is that all cymbals are on the same single stereo channel, which makes tweaking different cymbals very difficult if not impossible. Another thing at least in Addictive Drums is that all the cymbals sound like they were recorded with too soft hits, as if the drummer is holding back on the hits. That makes it very difficult to make the kit sound aggressively played, especially important on chinas. Too soft china hits sound like utter garbage. And unfortunately you cannot tell the drummer to strike harder
Kenny Lee
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Well, I'm not here to preach the ToonTrack gospel. Believe what you want. Go buy BFD or Digidesigns' drums.
Yes. Maybe Rogue might stop by here and fill anyone wanting to know in on some of the new features. I can't, all I'll say and have said is.... D.F.H.S. 2.0 IS heavy enough for Metal drums. Fuck, that's all we do and it's bad ass. Tweak-ability ... Tweak-ability ... Tweak-ability ... yes that's the keyword here
Ya'll have a good day!
I don't agree with that at all. There is no such thing as "metal drums" guys...only SIZES typically used for metal. I've seen metal drummers use a jazz kit, very punchy and cuts, not very beefy, but they weren't going for beefy sounds. The sound you are after depends on the wood the shells are made of, the size of the shells and the tuning of the heads. Then, of course, the person playing them. If you think there is such a thing as "metal drums", then I would bet you haven't recorded very many sets, IMO.
Seriously, what is the logic behind some of these standpoints? Drums sound like...drums. As I already stated there's only the size differences, typically you won't use a small shell kit for metal, on the other hand small shell kits are the choice for jazz players. You guys have to remember that the samples aren't processed...meaning, it's like a drummer just came to your place and you mic'ed his shit up. You have to EQ, compress, gate, etc. in that situation to make them sound like "metal" drums...just like you will with S2.0. So as long as they offer samples of the drum SIZES typically used for metal, then everything should be fine. Don't forget that in pretty much every single DAW now you can pitch shift things up or down if needed to get a lower or higher tuning (essentially).
~006
iekobrid
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Good call, that's certainly a better way of putting it.
iekobrid said:Will S2.0 allow the end user to tweak mic selection and placement? (I'm not trying to be a dick who already knows the answer -- I'm really asking here.)
AFAIK I don't think that's a feature for S2.0...I'm sure it will be in the future sometime though, that's probably going to be the "next level" of drum libraries.
All I was saying is that, technically speaking, there is no such thing as "metal drums". It's all dependent on the wood, size, tuning and drummer. You can essentially alter the tuning of the samples by simply pitching them down or up, I do this alllll the time with samples to create 3 samples from the 1 I found using very slight pitching. A little more could effectively "tune" the drum. In fact, sometimes I layer two of the same sample, for kicks, and pitch one down quite a bit from the original tone, the effect gives a beefy sound in addition to the original being punchy and having good attack. As long as the sizes and shells fall into the range of typical "metal drums", then it should work perfectly fine. The drummer ingredient doesn't really matter in this case since it's you programing the velocity at which the drum is being "hit."
~006
I just broke down and pre-ordered my copy. I think Kenny is right here about the tweakability options overcoming the fact that this is more of a rock based kit. You can make the kit however you want with a transient designer and a hint of kick and snare augmentation with Drumagog or similar if needed. I can't wait to get my copy. Great.....one more thing to cause a delay in mixing my stuff.
JeffTD
Senhor Testiculo
I preordered my copy via sweetwater - they haven't e-mailed me about proving my ownership of DFHS, so I'm hoping they do that soon and don't delay shipment. I leave for Germany on July 2nd and will be there for a whole month... here's to hoping ToonTrack sticks to the projected June shipping time.
I'm not holding my breath, though - this thing was supposed to originally be out in Q1, and was pushed back repeaaaaatedly before this date was announced.
That said, the software is going to own incredible amounts of balls... can't wait!
I'm not holding my breath, though - this thing was supposed to originally be out in Q1, and was pushed back repeaaaaatedly before this date was announced.
That said, the software is going to own incredible amounts of balls... can't wait!
Waterboy
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With the S2 library, you can control the bleed level for each mic, on each kit piece, within the mixer - FWIW.
Somebody else asked me if you can control the pitch for the EZX's within S2 .... the answer is yes.
You can control pitch for the EZdrummer product line, S2, DFHS, DFHS C&V, etc (within S2).
Somebody else asked me if you can control the pitch for the EZX's within S2 .... the answer is yes.
You can control pitch for the EZdrummer product line, S2, DFHS, DFHS C&V, etc (within S2).
So is the Superior 2.0 sound library the exact same library as from their other products, or what?
I heard that it wasn't from new sessions, but was from stuff they didn't use for custom and vintage. I could be wrong though.
I heard that it wasn't from new sessions, but was from stuff they didn't use for custom and vintage. I could be wrong though.
Machinated
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Its an all new library for Superior Drummer 2, and is from different sessions to the C&V samples.
I was asking about bouncing externally as I'm really want to keep EVERYTHING in one mixer, so I can access them quickly. Also in terms of routing it makes it far easier for me. Am I right in thinking the sonalksis plugins are tied to the S2 engine?
Only a couple of days now before my copy arrives!
I was asking about bouncing externally as I'm really want to keep EVERYTHING in one mixer, so I can access them quickly. Also in terms of routing it makes it far easier for me. Am I right in thinking the sonalksis plugins are tied to the S2 engine?
Only a couple of days now before my copy arrives!
