Originally posted by Lee_B
I suppose those new to the scene would have this view. The younger black metal fans seem to have a rose-tinted opinion of what is and isn't black metal. Bands that were originally laughed at for being untalented and crude are now revered as "innovators" (see Absurd, Graveland, Necrophagia, (early)Beherit, Von, Piledriver, Apator, etc, etc) by todays newbies.
Black metal was never about bad recordings and rudimentory playing skills, but back in the early 90's that's all there was. Admitidly, Darkthrone took a pre-emptive step backwards after their debut, but for the most part the overall sound developed with the abilities of the musicians involved in the scene.
Emperor, Gehenna, Summoning, Thy Serpent (I could go on..) and even Bathory have symphonic elements to their sound. To say those bands and bands like them aren't black metal is not only wrong, but very fashionable too.
Lee B