The American Dream is fucking dead.

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America's rags-to-riches dream an illusion: study

By Alister Bull 1 hour, 54 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - America may still think of itself as the land of opportunity, but the chances of living a rags-to-riches life are a lot lower than elsewhere in the world, according to a new study published on Wednesday.

The likelihood that a child born into a poor family will make it into the top five percent is just one percent, according to "Understanding Mobility in America," a study by economist Tom Hertz from American University.

By contrast, a child born rich had a 22 percent chance of being rich as an adult, he said.

"In other words, the chances of getting rich are about 20 times higher if you are born rich than if you are born in a low-income family," he told an audience at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think-tank sponsoring the work.

He also found the United States had one of the lowest levels of inter-generational mobility in the wealthy world, on a par with Britain but way behind most of Europe.

"Consider a rich and poor family in the United States and a similar pair of families in Denmark, and ask how much of the difference in the parents' incomes would be transmitted, on average, to their grandchildren," Hertz said.

"In the United States this would be 22 percent; in Denmark it would be two percent," he said.

The research was based on a panel of over 4,000 children, whose parents' income were observed in 1968, and whose income as adults was reviewed again in 1995, 1996, 1997 and 1999.

The survey did not include immigrants, who were not captured in the original data pool. Millions of immigrants work in the U.S, many illegally, earnings much higher salaries than they could get back home.

Several other experts invited to review his work endorsed the general findings, although they were reticent about accompanying policy recommendations.

"This debunks the myth of America as the land of opportunity, but it doesn't tell us what to do to fix it," said Bhashkar Mazumder, a senior economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland who has researched this field.

Recent studies have highlighted growing income inequality in the United States, but Americans remain highly optimistic about the odds for economic improvement in their own lifetime.

A survey for the New York Times last year found that 80 percent of those polled believed that it was possible to start out poor, work hard and become rich, compared with less than 60 percent back in 1983.

This contradiction, implying that while people think they are going to make it, the reality is very different, has been seized by critics of President Bush to pound the White House over tax cuts they say favor the rich.

Hertz examined channels transmitting income across generations and identified education as the single largest factor, explaining 30 percent of the income-correlation, in an argument to boost public access to universities.

Breaking the survey down by race spotlighted this as the next most powerful force to explain why the poor stay poor.

On average, 47 percent of poor families remain poor. But within this, 32 percent of whites stay poor while the figure for blacks is 63 percent.

It works the other way as well, with only 3 percent of blacks making it from the bottom quarter of the income ladder to the top quarter, versus 14 percent of whites.

"Part of the reason mobility is so low in America is that race still makes a difference in economic life," he said.
In a town in southernmost Sicily
Lived a family too proud to be poor
In the year that fever took father away
They hastened for American shores
Now a mother and her son are standing in line
It's a cold day on Ellis Isle
And they look to the Statue of Liberty
For the boy we have American Life
Ong is a Laotian refugee
He works in the audio trade
The smoke from flux is filling his lungs
He's earning minimum wage
Spending spare time down on
San Pablo ave
Once a week gets a woman for the night
And he writes home tales of prosperity
For the boy we have American Life
Bob is an unemployed veteran
Born and bred in the South Bronx
He's living off the streets down in east L.A.
Residing in a cardboard box
Now he plays a little guit and he has a small dog
Searching for aluminum cans
And he hold on tight to his dignity
He was born into American Life
 
The opportunity is there, and will always be there. The only difference from today and yesteryear is, that today...everyone is lazy as fuck. This article isnt stating anything new.
 
<<Recent studies have highlighted growing income inequality in the United States, but Americans remain highly optimistic about the odds for economic improvement in their own lifetime.

A survey for the New York Times last year found that 80 percent of those polled believed that it was possible to start out poor, work hard and become rich, compared with less than 60 percent back in 1983.>>

We really have to start teaching our children that the rags to riches idea is happy horseshit and string up the CEOs who retire with obscene bonuses while everyone else suffers...the fact that the numbers who believe it have actually went up while the rich have swindled the working man shows how willfully detached from reality most Americans are.
 
that wouldn't be a bad idea demonspell; lately i've been sort of kicking the around the idea of, well i don't know the chinese word for it, but something like when they would kill everyone who was part of the bureaucracy and start over from scratch. that's not a bad idea once every few centuries
 
It's as simple as this. If you work hard, strive to thrive in academics, are a self driven highly motivated individual, then opportunity will be knocking on your door.

If you're some "boo hoo George Bush cut my food stamps", disability receiving wreck of human flesh who spends more time reading High Times than the N.Y Times, then the mode of thinking in which you will weild, will be a stagnant one. Mormagil there's more to life than the 666 liberal threads in the royal carnage forum. Spit the basil from your lips mon frere. Nobody ever said this is the "land of economic prosperity for every single impoverished glutton in the nations basin". You seem to think opportunity involves a handout.
 
ok let's just say, as someone who works hard and has done pretty well for himself academically and all that good stuff, yet who comes from a background that brings with it very few important built-in opportunities the way, say, coming from a rich family does, you're full of shit, and i'm not going to waste time with you anymore. i'm not talking about handouts here, i'm talking about working toward a society that produces the greatest number of successful people, and the one we currently have is sure as fuck not that society. usually i don't say this and i try to keep as level a head as possible, allowing for differences in opinion and blah blah blah, but fuck off, you're hopeless.
 
I read a really good book on this - "Nickel and Dimed" by Barbara Ehrenreit (sic?) about a woman reporter who experiments to see if she can get by (living in a trailer, cheap furnishings/clothes/etc) on a low-income salary. Didn't go too well. At least the economy is a *bit* better now (this was written around 02, 03)...
 
yeah, sure is great. Being poor and all. You work hard, you go to school. You're so far in debt by the time you're done nobody will touch you with a pole, you're only hope is that you got lucky enough to take some shit that will get you a job.. but wait... you took something you'd enjoy... oh well, now you've got a bachelors/masters degree in flipping burgers and "field x"
 
I haven't said a person born in Harlem from Nubian bearers would have the same opportunities outright as a person being born from a high pedigree. All I have stated is that if you work hard, you can overcome the short stick life has thrown in your lap. You obviously thought this way at one time, then went down a beatnik path. So who do you blame now? George Bush and his bureaucracy. A society that produces the greatest number of successful people, lies on the shoulders of the individual. Unless you're some commie fuck who expects equality to be given across the board at the moment of conception. I'm hopeless? No friend that's where you're wrong. I'm filled with hope. That hope is in my self. The hope I had in society died years ago. You on the other hand, put all your hope and faith in a bleeding heart peer system. Where aslong as there's one person starving on a city street, the system has failed. The system hasn't failed, the individual has failed. You're a fucking fool, continue to get hopped up on your over the kitchen counter pharmaceuticals, you waste of space. :)
 
The land of the free
Under the thumb
Divided and conquered
TV keeps us numb
Coast to coast
A la-la land
From cradle to grave
With our heads in the sand
Nice and easy
A convenience oasis
Screwed with a chainsaw
All smiling faces
Born superheroes
Mega fantastic
Serving the one and only god: plastic

A bang for a buck
An eye for an eye
In the U.S. of A
We just live to die
American dream
A lifeless horror
The western world has no tomorrow
American dream
Yes, no, maybe
American nightmare
Wake up, baby

Imperialism with the best of intentions
Our nation's built on ruthless expansion
Policing the planet in every dimension
Protecting the world by armed intervention
We live to kill and kill to live
The principle is always take never give
When cash in hand is the judge and jury
Things look the best
When the vision is blurry

We stick to the rules
We're polite and PC,
We live and breathe idiosyncrasy
No need to complain
Or kickin' up a fuss
We sold ourselves out
Now the joke's on us
Captain america
Somehow acquitted
Denial, denial
We all know he did it
Innocence, pride
Stabbed in the back
In the home of the brave
Defense equals attack



awesome song. ill jewsendit if anyone cares.
 
&#8220;next to of course god america i
love you land of the pilgrims&#8217; and so forth oh
say can you see by the dawn&#8217;s early my
country &#8217;tis of centuries come and go
and are no more what of it we should worry
in every language even deafanddumb
thy sons acclaim your glorious name by gorry
by jingo by gee by gosh by gum
why talk of beauty what could be more beaut-
iful than these heroic happy dead
who rushed like lions to the roaring slaughter
they did not stop to think they died instead
then shall the voice of liberty be mute?&#8221;

He spoke. And rapidly drank a glass of water
 
I dunno man, I've met a lot of Ph.Ds, and none of them are rich. Not that that is the point of gaining such knowledge, but still, in this country money = success and that's a whole different issue.

I've also met a lot of spoiled rich brats that have never done shit their entire life and are handed the world on a silver platter.
 
What the fuck is that article even saying?

The american dream is HARD?!?!?!! OMFG NEWZ!!!!@1112on1
"In other words, the chances of getting rich are about 20 times higher if you are born rich than if you are born in a low-income family," he told an audience at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think-tank sponsoring the work.

Hahahahaha, thats the best quote in the entire article. O RLY?! IF UR BORN RICH ITZ EEEZZZEERR TO E RICH?!1111 NO WAAAAIIIII!!!!!!!


This is one of the stupidest articles I've ever read.

Perfect example how the leftwing is just as lame when it comes to "news" as the right.


THE RESULT OF VERY IMPORTANT SCIENTIFIC STUDIES SHOW THAT YOU MUST WORK HARD TO MAKE IT IN LIFE!


It's funny how fast liberal folks will bash right-wing people for eating up anything they are fed, yet they eat up bullshit like this article. Sheesh.