the BEATLES thread

[blue_fAng]

name me 5 bands MORE deserving of any kind of hype than the beatles. its all about context. sure there's been genius songwriting since, and the beatles arent the only great band to have existed.

I can't think of any that shook the world like they did though. You don't have to like their music, but I think its within every musicians worth to be familiar with their later albums. especially so if you are actually interested in recording.

No. What I mean is that they are overly famous, not that they don't deserve it but it's the people who put a crown on them and they don't even know them because...I know many people who go "I love the beatles", "Yeah I listen to them, they are one of the best artists of all time blah blah blah" and I say "oh yeah?, whats your favorite album" and they say ehhhm I only know four songs or something like that, maybe because some want to feel part of the pop culture? I don't know. I think I'm not the only one with this experience. Just a thought really. I don't think they don't deserve their success.

 

[ratsapprentice]

I will say that this sentiment doesn't help out with nay-sayers bashing on them in Beatles-specific threads; it's fairly condescending and presumptive, basically implying that if only we 'grew up' a bit or 'opened ours minds' that we'd like them. That might not be your intent, but that's how it comes across.

Gotta agree with Jeff on this.

A bit off topic, and this is not necessarily directed at anyone in this thread (really!), but you seem to see this a lot in regards to metal because for every person that loves it for the music primarily (as opposed to any of the extraneous image) there is someone who "grew out of it" or in other words, liked the image and not the music. It's then assumed that everyone in metal is as shallow or disingenuous. And thus all metalheads listen to metal exclusively and are willfully ignorant of all things deemed not metal, when it's not really the case.

 

[Jind]

nm misread a post

 

[Mago]

Possibly the most overrated band of all time. Only reason I say "possibly" is because that title might have to go to ACDC.

AHAHAHA
awesome


But on a more serious note, I agree with this a lot:

On the contrary... you can.
You can subjectively question their worth now, without disregarding the effect they had.

Saying you don't like Slayer =/= saying Slayer have no part to play in how metal sound today.

I'd say that I think they are overrated, but not by everyone.
They are overrated in the same way that Jimmi Hendrix is.
In that people who only have a passing interest in music and have very limited listening experience in general proclaim their superiority.
It's just conjecture coming from most people.

I never cared a lot about the music of the beatles, but still I can sing along to a lot of songs.
Same goes for Slayer.
I can appriciate what they have done for music in general, but I still can't get into it.

"While my guitar gently weeps" is propably the only beatles song I can say I like. Quite a lot actually.

 

[Jind]

Gotta agree with Jeff on this.

A bit off topic, and this is not necessarily directed at anyone in this thread (really!), but you seem to see this a lot in regards to metal because for every person that loves it for the music primarily (as opposed to any of the extraneous image) there is someone who "grew out of it" or in other words, liked the image and not the music. It's then assumed that everyone in metal is as shallow or disingenuous. And thus all metalheads listen to metal exclusively and are willfully ignorant of all things deemed not metal, when it's not really the case.

Perhaps, just not the way I read it.

Personally it's not about only listening to metal exclusively as I'm sure many of you listen to music that I personally would find absolutely vomit inducing as I suspect some of my tastes would do the same in kind.

I just think that sometimes music you once hated can sometimes work it's way into something you like later in life, that perhaps from a distance you start to appreciate something that at a particular time saw little value in.

At least for me - that's whats behind my posts on the subject.

Another example for me - I HATED Jimi Hendrix until about 12 - 13 years ago. Never got the whole fascination of his music. It was getting into recording music that got me to listen to his music from a different perspective. Now after listening to almost every recording of him both studio and live, all the demos, the outtakes and such - how he has taken songs he started at the very beginning of his career and kept going back to them to develop them further spoke to me in a creative way like few other artists. I now look at him as a creative genius.

A always - individual mileage may vary.

 

[ratsapprentice]

I never cared a lot about the music of the beatles, but still I can sing along to a lot of songs.
Same goes for Slayer.
I can appriciate what they have done for music in general, but I still can't get into it.

That's essentially what I'm saying...
Not liking something is not necessarily the same as not understanding it.

 

[Terminus]

Well there goes my potential "Official Tom Jones Fans" thread.

Yeah, I listen to Tom Jones.

 

[Nuno Filipe]

^ Well, I listen to Michael Jackson I like it a lot.

 

[nialldoran]

hugely influential band, they were amazing for the time they existed together as a band,
do i subjectively find them interesting as a band? nope.
I was born in '91 and the first album i remember listening to was unplugged by nirvana, so by the time i heard the beatles they seemed like tame happy music compared to other things,
i think that people my age have to separate the music from the influence that they had because i've never lived through it,
Could be just babbling at this stage though,after a looooong day in the studio

 

[B36arin]

I have lots of respect for how they revolutionised modern music and achieved what they did, no doubt about that...

...but I've been through music college where the hip thing is to worship The Beatles. I personally don't like their music at all, and I've had enough of people who blindly worship them. I have an idea for a t-shirt design which says "I hate The Fucking Beatles" which I'm going to realise one day, mainly to piss people off.

 

[EffigyForgotten]

I have lots of respect for how they revolutionised modern music and achieved what they did, no doubt about that...

...but I've been through music college where the hip thing is to worship The Beatles. I personally don't like their music at all, and I've had enough of people who blindly worship them and. I have an idea for a t-shirt design which says "I hate The Fucking Beatles" which I'm going to realise one day, mainly to piss people off.

Id like one too.

 

[Habsburgs]

Id like one too.

As a unemployed 17 year old male I just don't have the option of buying CD's.

how you gonna pay for it?

 

[Metal Overload]

Lol, he can make it with a Sharpie on a white V neck.

 

[EffigyForgotten]

So cute when you guys take the time to 1) read all of my posts everywhere 2) quote me for stupid reasons, sometimes from posts months old.

 

[ratsapprentice]

That's what happens when you're a dick.

 

[Nuno Filipe]

how you gonna pay for it?

 

[Bay Studio]

This thread got waaay out of context! Just ask ANYONE who experienced that specific time, and they will tell you that there was something really new going on, that´s never been heard before.. Just think about it, or think about the first time you heard your first metal record...Must have blown you away. And that´s the effect the Beatles had. This could be just me, but the hype was going on fairly early, but after Lennon died, they just got even more popular. And that would be the point where i could say they became over-rated, but i could be wrong too, since everyone has their own opinions.

 

[John_C]

****not aimed at anyone in particular, just a musing from someone who enjoys a lot of "overrated" AND "underrated" music****

I think "overrated" is a really shit word, in the way it is often used.

It makes a dig at something/someone without providing any real argument, using the relative popularity of the subject to legitimise an opinion. Simultaneously it places anyone with an opposing opinion in to the category of mindless believer.

Often "overrated" is a synonym for "look at my glorious hipster cock"

 

[Jind]

This thread got waaay out of context! Just ask ANYONE who experienced that specific time, and they will tell you that there was something really new going on, that´s never been heard before.. Just think about it, or think about the first time you heard your first metal record...Must have blown you away. And that´s the effect the Beatles had. This could be just me, but the hype was going on fairly early, but after Lennon died, they just got even more popular. And that would be the point where i could say they became over-rated, but i could be wrong too, since everyone has their own opinions.

You can simply use as an example those who grew up in the formative days of metal and things like the NWOBHM and how many of us look back very fondly on that music now and still think it just as viable as ever, while many younger metalheads see iit as possibly somewhat influential on the artists they like but they still act dismissively towards the actual music when compared to modern metal.

Perhaps it does have to do with experiencing music relative to it's time, but I doubt that's the only way to come to an appreciation of the importance of a time, a place, a band and why it's all relevant to that's bands place in history.

Not liking something is perfectly fine - only history will tell the story of importance and relevance even if you don't like a particular band.

 

[nialldoran]

Perfect Post ^