The conditions of 'God'

[Erik]

CA asked

I do often wonder one thing though, why is it people find it so hard to believe anything in the bible (or any other religious text for that matter) but they believe science without a doubt?

so it's really irrelevant whether I see something beyond science as well. The answer to CA's question is simple; things considered scientific fact can be proven (as far as anything at all can be proven) and the bible can not. Believing in proven science as fact is quite beneficial to me so I do it, that is not to say that I think science explains everything or that I disregard an 'inner, subjective world.'

I do not fear death because it is useless to fear something inevitable. Demonspell has a point -- I rather fear the decay of my person prior to dying (or rather hope that I will not have to go through much shit like that) -- but a lot of people will explicitely tell you that they fear death.

 

[Black Winter Day]

CA asked

so it's really irrelevant whether I see something beyond science as well. The answer to CA's question is simple; things considered scientific fact can be proven (as far as anything at all can be proven) and the bible can not. Believing in proven science as fact is quite beneficial to me so I do it, that is not to say that I think science explains everything or that I disregard an 'inner, subjective world.'

BUT anything subjective can NEVER be proven. It can only be INTERPRETED, like musical taste, life experiences, etc. Hell the only way we can "understand" one another is through interpretation of speech (and sometimes actions). Just because something cannot be proven, only interpreted, does not mean that mean that the subjective doesn't exist. You like Darkthrone, I can't prove it. That is not to say that I cannot interpret this conclusion through what you say. In short: "cold hard facts" can only go so far; in a sense, they are "half" the battle.

 

[Erik]

Exactly, but realizing that doesn't negate a belief in "proven" scientific facts, does it?

 

[Black Winter Day]

Hell no! Both are equally, vastly important.

 

[Erik]

Right, we're on the same page then... I was only trying to explain why I have an easier time believing in scientific facts than religious writings.

 

[Black Winter Day]

Interesting response.

 

[Erik]

Thank you for that information

 

[Under a Stone]

What's with the avatar, Erik?

 

[NAD]

Bubliboo is God.

I'm with Hobbes in that I fear violent death, but not what happens afterwards. Who cares? I'll be dead!

 

[J.]

What's with the avatar, Erik?

I think it's Lethal's new mascot.

 

[Hell Mike]

I think it's Lethal's new mascot.

Hell no. THIS guy is.

 

[Caelum Adustum]

I'm not saying to not believe anything science has to say, I'm saying that it's ridiculous that some people believe in science to the point of dogma and then they say that they KNOW religion is complete bullshit.

How would one KNOW science is correct?

I guess it is just down to how the person interprets it.

 

[FauxPerspicacity]

But, why do some monotheists consider paganism 'supersitious' when they believe everything they read in the bible? Why does one god make more sense than many?

 

[NAD]

Xenophobia. The more religious people I know take other faiths as a threat rather than difference in opinion. Makes sense though, because religious tenets are not taught as being subjective ideas.

I'm generalizing of course, I know some Christians that fully admit their faith is not necessarily fact.

 

[Demonspell]

I believe it's because organized religion teaches you to accept the teachings of the Bible as fact without proof, or their faith prevents the believer from questioning the wisdom of Christian doctrine...

 

[IOfTheStorm]

their faith prevents the believer from questioning the wisdom of Christian doctrine...

Actually the strongest faith comes after strong questioning

 

[Black Winter Day]

I think that was his point.

 

[IOfTheStorm]

err i dont think so
Faith doesnt prevent the believer from questioning.

 

[Black Winter Day]

But his point was that the Christian faith (specifically) DOES prevent that questioning.

 

[IOfTheStorm]

Yes, and what i said was that a strong Christian(or whatever religion) faith is the RESULT of a strong questioning. We didnt make the same point