The Founding Fathers Of The Nu-Metal Sound....

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Yancey Strickler of Seattle Weekly reports that somewhere along the line, modern rock started mistaking subtlety for weakness and waves of guitars and drum loops for palpable emotion — apparently these dudes' pain is so deep that only 128 tracks will do. But nine times out of 10, it isn't the bands who make these assumptions. Modern rock has become as much a producers' medium as hip-hop or techno, and the style's oppressive, multitracked assault and hokey sheen can be traced directly to one man. Andy Wallace is mod-rock's Dr. Dre — his mixes have become rock's de facto status quo, from his work on NIRVANA's "Nevermind" to more recent titles by DISTURBED, FOO FIGHTERS, KORN, LIMP BIZKIT, RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE, and SYSTEM OF A DOWN. This sound has been appropriated, with varied results, by a handful of other mod-rock production heavyweights: Howard Benson (COLD, P.O.D., CRAZY TOWN), GGGarth (TRAPT, CHEVELLE), Don Gilmore (REVIS, GOOD CHARLOTTE, LINKIN PARK), and Ross Robinson (KORN, LIMP BIZKIT, SLIPKNOT). Among them, these five men run nearly every major-label signing through the same ProTooled gauntlet. No wonder modern rock sounds so uniform.
 
Pyrus said:
Dude, as much as we all dislike Load, it has NOTHING to do with nu-metal. It's like Diet Blues Metal or something like that.

"Diet Blues Metal" may be the most accurate description I've heard yet of the sound on those 2 albums. I will now stop calling it "Progressive Cock Rock".
 
Go back and listen to Load and Reload... I never thought so until recently. Listen to all the stupid sing-along choruses and the horrible moments where it highlights James's attempt at singing (there's one in every song). Fuel is a good example.

Korn, Deftones and Fear Factory all contributed to the rise of nu-metal as well, but Pantera and Sepultura cannot be ignored either (esp. Pantera).
 
Stun said:
Go back and listen to Load and Reload... I never thought so until recently. Listen to all the stupid sing-along choruses and the horrible moments where it highlights James's attempt at singing (there's one in every song). Fuel is a good example.

Korn, Deftones and Fear Factory all contributed to the rise of nu-metal as well, but Pantera and Sepultura cannot be ignored either (esp. Pantera).

If I had to pick 2 albums that paved the way for Nu Metal it would be Korn's self titled debut and Sepultura's "Roots". I love those 2 fucking albums, but very little of the copy cat shit it gave birth to. The Deftone's first 2 albums, "Adrenalize" and "Around The Fur" were not Nu Metal but the band went in that direction afterwards. Fear Factory made their own sound, but no way it's fucking Nu Metal crap. It's more like technical industrial metal or something...I dunno. Bands like FF, Meshuggah, Opeth, and Strapping Young Land are tough to throw into categories, but they're definately not copy cats of somebody else's sound.

But PANTERA???? No way man. Pantera is the opposite of Nu Metal. There's no fucking rapping, no bass leads, and no fucking melodies! It's just angry as fuck aggresive American metal with killer guitars. Thats the opposite of Nu Metal, isn't it?
 
Pantera had some really stupid nu-metalish riffs in the latter days (i.e., Driven & Trendkill; not so much on Steel), and "no melodies/angry as fuck aggressive American metal" could easily describe Slipknot. It's just that aggressive doesn't necessarily mean good, and no melodies means Phil forgot how to sing.
 
Pantera has NOT stayed true to their original sound at all! I mean dude... Reinventing the Steel ain't no Projects in the Jungle!
 
I remember hearing Korn's bassist, or whatever that obese wigger's name is, saying that he was heavily into Morbid Angel and Sepultura in the early 90s. He liked it when the bands went slower, that's how he got the idea for Korn's sound. Note: Covenant, slower Arise and Chaos A.D.
 
any riff can be made to sound "nu-metal, thrash, death, black, etc"...it all depends on how you play it,manually that is, guitar tone, amps, distortion/overdrive etc...

to say pantera has/had nu-metal riffs is just plain ridiculous!
 
Blame the copy cats, not the trend setters. You may not like Korn, but their first album spent a lot of time in my CD player after its release because it just didn't sound like anything else I'd heard before. Apparently I wasn't the only one who thought that because 10 years later we still have new bands coming out that are doing their best to re-create (rip-off) that original sound. Like it or not, it was unique at the time.
 
snickers said:
any riff can be made to sound "nu-metal, thrash, death, black, etc"...it all depends on how you play it,manually that is, guitar tone, amps, distortion/overdrive etc...

to say pantera has/had nu-metal riffs is just plain ridiculous!

That is an ignorant statement man. It just doesn't make sense. Not many ppl here seem to understand that nu-metal is not a riff... it is the simple structure of the song, the radio-friendly choruses, the pointless and overdone "heaviness", and quite often they are lacking any real talent or uniqueness.

Pantera inspired many, many nu-metal bands. Same with Sepultura. Same with Metallica. Just compare them. No, none of these bands are really nu-metal (with the exception of Metallica now, cause of St. Anger, but I'm talking about Load and Reload)... but they were all huge influences on the nu-metal bands of today.

Yeah, Steiner, I used to listen to Korn too. It was new. But it's awful when I go back and listen to it now. I just like much more complex music... and Jonathan Davis is a fucking awful singer.