The Founding Fathers Of The Nu-Metal Sound....

[Lies and Perfidy]

About that last quote...Overkill. End of story. Period.

 

[Steiner]

Which quote...and where are the riffs you were talking about?

 

[Lies and Perfidy]

"Pantera's stayed as true to their original sound as any band I know of that's been doing it for as long as they have."

I can't name many specifics, as I don't own anything except Cowboys and Vulgar. But the roots I can hear lie in the simplified groove of songs like "Walk" and "This Love" (heavy parts)...it's not bad, but what it would become is very bad.

I'll get back to you after I get a chance to borrow some later stuff from my friends and force myself to give it another listen.

 

[Steiner]

Are you kidding me Pyrus? How can you claim to be an officianado of albums you don't even own and obviously haven't listened to very much? Far Beyond Driven and The Great Southern Trendkill are not their best albums, but how would you even know that? Nothing personal man, but it sure sounds like you're pulling this shit out of your ass brutha.

 

[Lies and Perfidy]

I listened to Driven twice, Trendkill once. I don't think I need to study the albums to have an opinion on them...I listened to them, I heard stuff I didn't like and thought sounded like nu-metal, I decided not to buy them.

If you don't respect my opinion, fine with me.

 

[Electric Savage]

The people who started all this nu-metal crap is ANTHRAX back in the late 80's. Remember that shit they were doin with Public Enemy??? Remember those tours they were doing with Public Enemy??? Fucking horrible! It was the first of it's kind. That inspired bands like Biohazard to record with other rap acts, thus spawning the rap metal fusion, or crap metal fusion as I like to call it. Then Lolopalooza copies the idea and the whole shitty trend starts.

 

[Stun]

What about Metallica and Run DMC???

A lot of ppl have absolutely no idea what nu-metal is about. The rap metal fad is pretty much already dead. Nu-metal nowadays is "bone-crunching" riffs and pointless "heavy" riff after riff, combined with pop-choruses, basically. Nu-metal is not a riff. I hear death metal-ish and thrash riffs in nu-metal bands all the time. Unfortunately, trying to explain stuff to you guys is usually like talking to a wall.

 

[Ayeka]

I'll get back to you after I get a chance to borrow some later stuff from my friends and force myself to give it another listen.

Nah mate, you wanna check out their first four albums I'd love to but for some reason they're kinda "brushed under the carpet" .... wonder why?

 

[Lies and Perfidy]

Yeah, I do wanna hear Power Metal, etc...problem is, there's so many other things I gotta get first. Death Angel, Heathen, Possessed, Vader, Kreator, Amon Amarth, Vicious Rumors, Vio-lence, Dismember, Grave Digger, Death, Annihilator, Sanctuary, and Halford are all bands I need more/some of that are above Pantera on my list

 

[Steiner]

Amon Amarth's latest release is killer. Check out that one instead. This Pantera debate is going nowhere.

 

[Lies and Perfidy]

Good call...let's agree to disagree & listen to Viking Death Metal instead.

MASTERS OF WAAAAARRRR!!!

 

[Ayeka]

Yeah, I do wanna hear Power Metal, etc...problem is, there's so many other things I gotta get first. Death Angel, Heathen, Possessed, Vader, Kreator, Amon Amarth, Vicious Rumors, Vio-lence, Dismember, Grave Digger, Death, Annihilator, Sanctuary, and Halford are all bands I need more/some of that are above Pantera on my list

Sounds like a very similar list to me! I can tell you now Vio-Lence, Halford and Death debut albums are safe investments that's all :Spin:

 

[Lies and Perfidy]

Yeah, I have Eternal Nightmare and it is awesome...I've heard Live Insurrection & Sound of Perseverence and they are awesome...must...find...more.

 

[Bulletride]

Those of you saying Pantera spawned nu metal are idiots. In no way is Pantera nu metal. Nu metal lacks lead guitar, something which Pantera certainly has. If Walk is the only song you've heard, maybe Drag The Waters, you may be picking up on the simple riff, but listen to a whole album and get back to me. And saying there new stuff has changed, that is complete bullshit. Are you talking about Superjoint Ritual and Down, or still Pantera? Any song on Reinventing the Steel could have been on Vulgar Display of Power and no one would have thought twice. The reason Phil ended Pantera is because he didn't want to keep doing the same thing, which is exactly what Pantera has done.

As for who started nu metal, I'd have to agree with the Steiner guy. But I don't know who said the bit about Chaos AD. That is in no way nu metal. Nu metal started with Roots and Korn's self titled album. Roots started the trend of alternative instruments, tribal stuff, which changed bands like POD from thrash to nu metal. Korn's clicking bass led music was the first to make kids play air bass guitar. Basically. Korn led the way in making the bass player the most important man in the band, while Roots made tribal beats and alternative styles the way to go. Pantera uses neither of those things. When someone thinks of Pantera, do they think of Rex or Dimebag? And Jonathan Davis started the trend of making vocals no longer a melody to the song.