the IRA

Im on bit of a hiatus with a presentation Im doing on the IRA. Im in opposition of them but I cant find enough recent reasons to why they should be stopped. All internet info Ive searched isnt straight forward on how it affects the irish and welsh today.

Please discuss.
 
IRA should not be stopped. Any illegal occupation of another country by royalist forces should be defended. That's all I have to say. Defend your land. The British empire has done way too much harm all over the world. Iraq being the last example of their subtile colonial blunders. One way to know about that would be to travel to Ireland. I did it many years ago and the anti-british sentiment is strong in many parts of the country. I remember one night at the local Tampa Irish pub when Jerry Adams was there, o' the great anti-british feeling in this pub was so great.
I suggest that if you want serious answers to this matter you take a trip to a real irish pub and talk to real Irish people. There is also a good Irish newspaper published weekly out of NY that I used to read while at the pub with many very good sources.
 
When it comes to this topic its just easier to oppose than to be for. I support the IRA on their mission, but I dont support bombing and harming of any sort. I was sure there was a few forum users from Ireland or that area. The Sinn Fein are more rational thought than the (real) IRA, and the ponly people supporting the terrorist tacts are dumbass americans who's moms dogs uncle butler popped out in eire so they think they have some ties.
 
It's right that Sinn Fein is much more reasonable than the "real IRA". But resistance groups often started with violence to react to state violence. This does not justify however!
A lot of resistance groups are now doing criminal activities because they have "smelled" big money and power. The best example of this are the FARC in Colombia.
 
The IRA, while on ceasfire since 1994, continue to be needed to defend Nationalist areas in the occupied 6 - counties of our country. British occupation continues, nationalists and republicans continue to be denied full equality in many areas, continue to be discriminated against politically and continue to suffer at the hands of a corrupt and unacceptable paramilitary political police force (RUC/PSNI) that has oppressed nationalists/republicans since the foundation of the state in 1922. While the name of the force has changed from RUC to PSNI and the uniform also, the force remains as unacceptable to nationalist and republicans who want nothing less than a fully accountable and fair police force willing to carry out its duties impartially and without political or sectarian bias.
 
Generally I try to ignore the existance of the IRA since I don't like politics, but in my own opinion they should be stopped. At the start their aim was to have Ireland back as one Island, but I don't think that will ever happen. At this point they just seem to be running drugs and weapons about the country. They are killing people for stupid reasons, one example: A woman was murdered leaving behind about 8 children to fend for themselves. The reason behind it is becasue she stayed and comforted a dying man, who had been one of their targets.

Reuniting the country is one thing, but killing people for such reasons as above is worse. For me, at this point, I don't care if it is reunited or not. My reason for this is I have friends in the Republic and the North of Ireland. They are my friends regardless of what side they live on. Thankfully, most of the metal fans in Ireland are all cool with each other. The recent gig Amon played in Derry is a good example of how well we mix. Bands from both sides were playing and there was no disputes among them.
 
Eire said:
Generally I try to ignore the existance of the IRA since I don't like politics, but in my own opinion they should be stopped. At the start their aim was to have Ireland back as one Island, but I don't think that will ever happen. At this point they just seem to be running drugs and weapons about the country. They are killing people for stupid reasons, one example: A woman was murdered leaving behind about 8 children to fend for themselves. The reason behind it is becasue she stayed and comforted a dying man, who had been one of their targets.

Reuniting the country is one thing, but killing people for such reasons as above is worse. For me, at this point, I don't care if it is reunited or not. My reason for this is I have friends in the Republic and the North of Ireland. They are my friends regardless of what side they live on. Thankfully, most of the metal fans in Ireland are all cool with each other. The recent gig Amon played in Derry is a good example of how well we mix. Bands from both sides were playing and there was no disputes among them.

thanks for the input. Your last paragraph is something Ive heard of from other Irish people and I think its a very valid point.
 
Eire said:
Generally I try to ignore the existance of the IRA since I don't like politics, but in my own opinion they should be stopped. At the start their aim was to have Ireland back as one Island, but I don't think that will ever happen. At this point they just seem to be running drugs and weapons about the country. They are killing people for stupid reasons, one example: A woman was murdered leaving behind about 8 children to fend for themselves. The reason behind it is becasue she stayed and comforted a dying man, who had been one of their targets.

Reuniting the country is one thing, but killing people for such reasons as above is worse. For me, at this point, I don't care if it is reunited or not. My reason for this is I have friends in the Republic and the North of Ireland. They are my friends regardless of what side they live on. Thankfully, most of the metal fans in Ireland are all cool with each other. The recent gig Amon played in Derry is a good example of how well we mix. Bands from both sides were playing and there was no disputes among them.


No disrespect to you, but there are a couple of points need to be made here. Like yourself, I want to see an end to the IRA, BUT ONLYWHEN THE REST OF THE ARMED GROUPS GO AWAY ALSO _ BRITISH ARMY, RUC/PSNI, UDA,UVF ETC.

Like you, I have many friends north and south of the border, indeed many family also. My mothers side of the family are all from Fermangh, Tyrone and Armagh. Events like Sacrifice are class but that has nothing to do with the political situation. Regardless of their viewpoint, I have no problem with any metalhead, or inded anyone, regardless of whether they are nationalist or loyalist, Irish or British, swedish or danish or whatever.

However, people need to recognise the reality that the IRA re-emerged in 1969 because of the denial of civil and human rights to nationalists in the occupied six counties and the attempts by loyalists and RUC/UDR personnel to burn nationalists from their homes. In areas such as the Short Strand of Belfast and the Bogside of Derry, right beside where Amon Amarth played their gig, it was only the prescence of IRA volunteers that prevented the overrunnng of these areas and the widespread slaughter of nationalists by the loyalist mobs supported by the RUC etc. While those groups still pose a threat to nationalist communities which they do, and while the civil/human rights of nationalist/republicans and the electoral mandate of nationalist/republicans is ignored, then wishing the IRA to go away while these groups stay intact and British troops occupy Ireland is a foolish prospect. Who would defend thee areas if the IRA went away? The British army, RUC/PSNI, Irish Government? I dont think so. The IRA have been the only group to defend these areas. regardless of what we might think, and the propaganda spouted by many politicians.

The woman that you refer to was killed over 30 years ago and was actually killed because she had informed to the British occupying authorities, not the reasons that you said. While I dont condone such a killing, there were many other families left without a father or mother because of the murders by the British army, RUC and loyalist death squads supported by British Government agents. Terrible killings that should not have happened occurred in this war. A fellow county man of yourself, Eddie Fullerton, an elected representative was shot dead in his own home by loyalist death squads operating with the assistance of British army/RUC inteligence agents

The IRA, unlike the British army, RUC/PSNI etc have been ceasefire since 1994. No disrespect intended towrds you, but your point alleging IRA drug involvement is just completely off the wall as the IRA, and republicans generally, are totally opposed to drugs.

I do believe that Ireland should be re-united and the british occupation ended. Just as the US occupation of Iraq and the Israeli occupation of Palestine are wrong and should be ended, so too should the British occupation of Ireland end too.

As I said at the start, no disrespect intended. i have a very different viewpoint from you. Fair pley to you for your efforts in promoting metal and I hope that you continue to do so. However, I would check your source of info for suggesting IRA involvement in Drugs as it is totally wrong and incorrect.

It would be like suggesting that Quorthon adn Chuck Schuldiner were really disciples of Christ after all.

p.s Amon still fucking rule Yeeeeaaaaahhhhh!
 
Eire said:
Generally I try to ignore the existance of the IRA since I don't like politics, but in my own opinion they should be stopped. At the start their aim was to have Ireland back as one Island, but I don't think that will ever happen. At this point they just seem to be running drugs and weapons about the country. They are killing people for stupid reasons, one example: A woman was murdered leaving behind about 8 children to fend for themselves. The reason behind it is becasue she stayed and comforted a dying man, who had been one of their targets.

Reuniting the country is one thing, but killing people for such reasons as above is worse. For me, at this point, I don't care if it is reunited or not. My reason for this is I have friends in the Republic and the North of Ireland. They are my friends regardless of what side they live on. Thankfully, most of the metal fans in Ireland are all cool with each other. The recent gig Amon played in Derry is a good example of how well we mix. Bands from both sides were playing and there was no disputes among them.






p.s In relation to your mention of the IRA supposedly moving arms around the country, a couple of points.

First of all - The Britich army are the largest group moving weapons around Ireland - Currenlty over 8,500 armed troops occupy the six- counties of Ireland, far more than the number of British troops actually occupying Iraq - a fact not widely known. Secondly, the next biggest group are the sectarian and unacceptable to nationalist RUC/PSNI so-called 'police force' and thirdly the US army, who are allowed by our Government inDublin to use as a military base, Shannon airport, for US troops on their way to and from slaughtering civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan and for their transporting of individuals that have been kidnapped in other countries, including according to a number of human rights groups from some scandinavian countries.
 
Feraliminal Lycanthropizer said:
whos to say that members of the IRA arent into drugs?

Because both the IRA and Sinn Fein have both consistently campaigned against drugs within their communities, have stood with local communties in facing down drug dealers and trying to end the criminality associated with drug dealing.

Has any individual member of the IRA been into drugs? Of course they have. Just like every organisation, club, union, whatever,there are always those individuals that go against the rules and policies of the organisations they are in. However, ovr the course of the war against the British Government over the past few decades, any IRA members found into drugs were expelled from the IRA. In more serious instances, they have been exiled from Ireland and even shot for their activities. Regardless of whether one thinks that that is a good or bad thing, the reality is that Republicans are vehemently opposed to drug dealing of any kind.
 
I'm not about to address all of that at once cos I'm too tired. But the topic was about the IRA not other armed groups. That bit I typed above was my own view on what they are doing. Unless you're in the IRA you can't really confirm or deny some of that. And even if you were in it, would you confirm drug and weapons dealing??

One of the problems about peoples decisions over the IRA is that no one outside of them actually know the truth about what they are doing. There is much speculation around how they actually pay for the weapons and other materials. This in turn leads to much unrest.

At the end of the day, I still think the IRA should be stopped, along with others who are armed. One simple reason being, people are getting killed on both sides and nothing is gettting solved.
 
EIRE said: 'At the end of the day, I still think the IRA should be stopped, along with others who are armed. One simple reason being, people are getting killed on both sides and nothing is gettting solved.'

That is the reason that the Peace Process was developed here in Ireland - to get rid of all the armed groups. The IRA have been ceasefire since 1994 as part of that process. But the point I was making was that wishing the IRA to go away while all the other armed groups remained is never going to happen because nationalists will never leave themselves defenceless again like they were back in 1968/1969 when they were been burned out of their homes by loyalist mobs supported by the RUC. While justice and equality is denied to northern nationalists and british occupation conintinues (as I said - over 8,500 british troops occupy part of Ireland, more than british troop levels occupying Iraq) then the IRA will remain intact. However, and this very important to remember. THE IRA ARE ON CEASEFIRE SINCE 1994. No such ceasefire has ever been called by either the british army or the RUC/PSNI at any stage.

In relation to the drugs issue. Even the IRA's arch enemies the PSNI have to admit that republicans are not involved in drugs or drug dealing. It goes against everything that republicanism stands for. That is just the type of propaganda that gets spouted by some of the anti-republican media outlets every so often, never with any evidecne to back it up. No- one in nationalist/republican areas believes that propaganda and indeed if you walk through areas such Derry's Bogside (beside the Nerve Centre) the people living there will tell you the nonsense that such a claim is.

For over 30 years the IRA fought a war against the British army. Many IRA men and wemon were arrested, north and south of the border for possessing weapons etc. Yet not one IRA person was ever charged with drug dealing or drug offences. However, in contrast, Republicans have gone to jail for standing up to the drug dealers in their communities and trying to protect communities from the scourge of drugs.

Whether you agree with the IRA or not, or supported them in their war against Britain doesn't matter. But is untrue to suggest they are involved in drugs.