the IRA

I know its your land and all, but at this day and age, does it even matter anymore? I mean, you said you have freinds from the north and south, and the cathloics and protestants get along. Does it matter whose land it is because everyone gets along now.

(Im asking all these questions for my report)
 
Feraliminal Lycanthropizer said:
I know its your land and all, but at this day and age, does it even matter anymore? I mean, you said you have freinds from the north and south, and the cathloics and protestants get along. Does it matter whose land it is because everyone gets along now.

(Im asking all these questions for my report)

It does when the nationalist/republican communtiy continue to be denied their rights and be discriminated against in many ways. And while many nationalists and unionists get on ok, there still remain much sectarianism in the six-counties. But it is not about catholic v protestant or nationalist v unionist. It is about the continuing occupation of Ireland.

The Irish people have the right to full independence. Would people in the US or Sweden or Norway or anywhere else accept occupation by a foreign power? I dont think so and I dont think they should. Freedom is a basic right that should be upheld, isn't it?

In relation once again to the continued existence of the IRA, it should be remembered that they have been on a unilateral ceasfire since 1994. However, many nationalist areas are vulnerable and the only thing preventing them from been overran by loyalists is the presence of the IRA. Back in 1969/1970, the IRA was virtually extinct and when the loyalist mobs, supported by the Police, tried to overrun these areas because nationalists had been demanding basic civil rights, such as one person - one vote, fair allocation of housing, a handful of old IRA veterans and young people in the areas who could get their hands ona few old guns, were all that prevented these areas between totally destroyed. Areas such as the Short Strand in Belfast and the Bogside in Derry endured intense attack but it was only the actions of these IRA men and youngsters in the area that saved these areas. That is where the current IRA was created, on teh streets of the six counties defending the lives and homes of nationalist under attack by loyalist and British gangs.

Many of these areas remain very vulnerable and the general nationalist/republican population do not want to be in a position like they were back in 1969/1970 ever again. The police force (RUC/PSNI) is a corrupt and bigoted police force that has oppressed nationalist since the states foundation and is totally unaceptable to nationalists. It has been proven, along with the British military and British intelligence, to have collaborated in the killing of nationalists with Loyalist death squads and continues to try to cover up the full truth of their involvement.

The largest nationalist party in the six counties is now Sinn Fein, a republican party and active campaigners for a United Ireland. Yet they and their supporters continue to suffer harrassment and arrest by the security forces and to be discriminated against in a way that the other parties are not.

As I said, this is about freedom from British rule. Remember, as I said the IRA are on ceasefire since 1994 in order to try to progress the current peace process that is currently underway since around 1990, while the British army or RUC/PSNI have refused to call a ceasefire at all.

Talk of the IRA going away while all these other armed groups such as the British army remain on Irsih troops is a flight of fancy that will never happen. Even if they did decide to go away, it would only mean that young nationalists would just organise a new army to defend their areas, basically creating a new version of the IRA. That will not help the situation one bit. What needs to happen is that all the groups need to negotiate all of themselves away and create freedom, justice and peace in the process.
 
Hmm it seems by what your saying there is a lot of retaliation and counter-attacking. In the best interest of northern Ireland, wouldnt it be wise to just let them become an anarchist society?

p.s.- I hear about the glasgow rangers and celts matches all the time. brutal.
 
FeralLyc: You CANNOT understand this if you don't fully comprehend the history, and not just the recent history, but how the old Irish society was built all the way back to the druids, before the viking raids.
Lots of other people have been invaded by other peoples. Some of them have kicked the conquerors out, some, however did not. The ones who kicked the conquerors out generally did it because, like the Britts, the conquerors were not merely conquerors, but also oppressors. The societies that didn't kick them out were mostly completely defeated by the conquerors. The Irish were never at any point completely defeated. Ever (yes, that includes my own ancestors - they kicked us out, too, remember?).That opens the door for this tit-for-tat stuff. It's not that far away from the old system of bloodfeuds and revenge. That system has been around for well over 2000 years, and it will not be washed out very easily. We may say and even think that we have evolved and all that, but some things are so ingrained in a culture that it takes millenia to change. One can take the Irishman out of Ireland, but one cannot take Ireland out of the Irishman, and the more the Britts push, the harder the Irish will shove. (Spoken like a true Canadian...anyone heard of Quebec? Must be the Swedish part of me - you can't take Sweden out of the Swede, either.)
 
I'm from Quebec altho I do not feel Quebec-er... Last Minister was French and so is the one we have right now LOL... yes its funny considering 80% of Canada is english we keep having french ministers.... :)

Tyra said:
FeralLyc: You CANNOT understand this if you don't fully comprehend the history, and not just the recent history, but how the old Irish society was built all the way back to the druids, before the viking raids.
Lots of other people have been invaded by other peoples. Some of them have kicked the conquerors out, some, however did not. The ones who kicked the conquerors out generally did it because, like the Britts, the conquerors were not merely conquerors, but also oppressors. The societies that didn't kick them out were mostly completely defeated by the conquerors. The Irish were never at any point completely defeated. Ever (yes, that includes my own ancestors - they kicked us out, too, remember?).That opens the door for this tit-for-tat stuff. It's not that far away from the old system of bloodfeuds and revenge. That system has been around for well over 2000 years, and it will not be washed out very easily. We may say and even think that we have evolved and all that, but some things are so ingrained in a culture that it takes millenia to change. One can take the Irishman out of Ireland, but one cannot take Ireland out of the Irishman, and the more the Britts push, the harder the Irish will shove. (Spoken like a true Canadian...anyone heard of Quebec? Must be the Swedish part of me - you can't take Sweden out of the Swede, either.)
 
hey hey fuck islam oi oi fuck islam yeah thats right.


Tyra- I agree that british policies are shit, but I just dont think bombing and killing of their own irish brethren is justifiable. That just gives the british and Irish people like a reason to be against them. As someone said earlier, the Sinn fein are the more rational arm, so I say ditch the (real) IRA, while ditching the other armed forces in the Ulster counties. Its just not going anywhere.
 
thats cause we french rule! :D yep we are stubborn and aren't easilly pushed around.
and to quebec i say : "VIVE LE QUEBEC! hail to french Canada! vote for seperation".
Pyaemia, why do you not feel Quebecan? i mean what do you feel like instead? english canadian? why's that? whats your first language and origins? i always thought quebecans embraced their french origins, even more so than the average frenchman. thats why i like you guys. i also find the "je me souviens" (i remember) on your license plates very touching..
 
yeah...the french aren't easily pushed around....

why are the streets of paris lined with trees? so the germans can walk in the shade....
why are french army surplus guns so expensive? never used and only dropped once...heheh

I'm just kidding man! :)
 
Why I dont feel Quebecan? Well, i dont know LOL.. I just dont. I dont know how i would explain this, maybe there is no logical explaination? Maybes its genetic? I dont know.. Everytime people speak about quebecan "things" it doesnt sparkle anything in my mind, its like... Oh really? ok..... cool.... But nothing more, im not passionate about it...

It is true that alot of people are proud Quebecers and embrace there french origin cause we speak french but most of them dont really know where they come from. Its the obvious part about themself. Im part native american, german and french... I so happen to be born on this particular part of the map so i was raised speaking french. I dont associate to it more then this really, I guess its just how I feel. I do not have any problem with french or anything... I dont hate it per say... Dont get me wrong. And im certainly NOT saying there is nothing to embrace in it!!!

Celtik Militia said:
thats cause we french rule! :D yep we are stubborn and aren't easilly pushed around.
and to quebec i say : "VIVE LE QUEBEC! hail to french Canada! vote for seperation".
Pyaemia, why do you not feel Quebecan? i mean what do you feel like instead? english canadian? why's that? whats your first language and origins? i always thought quebecans embraced their french origins, even more so than the average frenchman. thats why i like you guys. i also find the "je me souviens" (i remember) on your license plates very touching..
 
Thrymfal said:
yeah...the french aren't easily pushed around....

why are the streets of paris lined with trees? so the germans can walk in the shade....
why are french army surplus guns so expensive? never used and only dropped once...heheh

I'm just kidding man! :)

lol i got another one :
why do french tanks have a rear view mirror? to watch the war.

anyway we do have the reputation of being stubborn, impolite on the road and rude, we think we're more important, we're always right too... so this makes it that we're not easy to push around. always had our ways ;) we managed to be part of the wining countries in WW2 and occupy a part of germnay although we sucked in the war. we got to have nuclear weapons, ennoyed the canadian government about quebec and so on.. thats why we're not appreciated much. that ennoys people.

Pyamia, oh then if you're not really a true Quebecan i guess i can understand this :p but its still a shame, always take pride in your culture and origins.

anyways we're off topic now.. i think a situation more similar to the Irish situation is Corsica.
 
TheLastWithPaganBlood said:
These french jokes are fucking hilarious, bearing in thought the trouble I would get into by saying them in post-war Germany.

why would you get in trouble? is there another shitty taboo about german invasion? fuck we french are victims... how depressing that we should have that image of the poor defeated people to an extent that we can't even be laughed at about it.
 
Well you see mi not 100% and so is 90% of Quebecan population, everyone i know is mixed up between race , mostly all white or course but still different race.... Quebec is not really french now, altho we are still raised speaking french each and everyone of us is a bunch of different race mixed up! its bastarized! Its just that people go for th obvious part of themselves i guess!? I dont know... But i doubt you could find a pure french quebecan in under.. lets say.. an hour? (on the street). Everyone i know is MIX (just mix of white mostly) but since the only common race here is french, people associate to it i guess... Hey i got no problem with this but i got a problem with people who think they know where there from and got no idea, they just take whatever as been said to them and assimilate it and take it as the truth :|
 
i am a mix of many people too, but i am mostly of french blood and have been brought up in france. i've grown to embrace my culture and my french forefathers more than anything else, although i do show respect for my other origins. and i know almost exactly my origins by the 1/16th... (i'm 1/16th english to give an example) not further than that. in france their are very few pure blooded french left too. especially in big cities where they are a mix of mostly french and other european countries like spain, italy, england, portugal, poland..etc.. and now with asians and blacks and arabs... but in the farmlands and little towns, there are mostly pure blooded. the immigrants want the money and wealth of the big towns, not to embrace the soil.
hey does anyone know how much it would cost to ask these professionals to figure out my geneological tree up to lets say... the 1700s? i've heard its in the hundreds of euros.. pretty fucking expensive if you ask me.
 
Celtik Militia said:
hey does anyone know how much it would cost to ask these professionals to figure out my geneological tree up to lets say... the 1700s? i've heard its in the hundreds of euros.. pretty fucking expensive if you ask me.

welcome to the internet dude, where stuff that cost a lot to do back then only cost as much as your diskspace and time.