The "Let's guess who's the new axeman for COB" Thread

Unless they pick some complete unknown, it's going to be somebody who's got something going on, perhaps a rhythm guitarist from a 2nd tier band. More difficult to grab a guy who is committed to his own project. But it's possible, after all, how many Finnish bands are bigger than COB? You can work on your own thing and hope it will take off or you can accept a gig with COB and make some money.
 
Yeah I thought about Petri Lindroos too. I really loved that guy before he became the douchebag he is now, but I really don't think he'd go with CoB. Not his style either and quite a better player than Alexi.
 
IDontKnowWhatToWrite said:
Yeah I thought about Petri Lindroos too. I really loved that guy before he became the douchebag he is now, but I really don't think he'd go with CoB. Not his style either and quite a better player than Alexi.
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Douchebag? :D Norther wasn't too far from COB and that was Petri's own band so it might be quite close to his style actually. Still don't think it's going to happen as he's not only a guitarist in Ensiferum but the singer too.
 
Wild_One69 said:
This post is full of shit.
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Would be better with some arguments from your side.
But I'll clarify all the points on which you could disagree.
1- Petri Lindroos is a douchebag = He is acting like world super star 24/7 and I've seen him really rarely having any fun on stage or being kind with fans.
2- Petri wouldn't fit CoB = Even though he was in Norther before and really close to CoB I sincerely think he wouldn't be fitting in CoB now. As a matter of fact he actually left Norther for Ensiferum and seemed to have so much more fun with Viking Metal than Death Melodic. Doesn't mean he prefers, but I think it suits him best.
3- Today's Petri wouldn't fit nice "esthetically" on stage with CoB. It's like if they pick Archie from The Local Band, he is an awesome player but could you really imagine Petri on stage with CoB ? And he'd probably steal all Alexi pussy-fans. Alexi wouldn't tolerate it XD
4- He is a much better guitar player: I'm not about writting music and solos, this Laiho does better. But when it comes down to playing those solo, Petri Lindroos as always shown the ability to play almost perfectly any solo of Ensiferum. While at EVERY SINGLE concert of CoB I've been Alexi managed to fuck up some solos if not all.
 
IDontKnowWhatToWrite said:
Would be better with some arguments from your side.
But I'll clarify all the points on which you could disagree.
1- Petri Lindroos is a douchebag = He is acting like world super star 24/7 and I've seen him really rarely having any fun on stage or being kind with fans.
2- Petri wouldn't fit CoB = Even though he was in Norther before and really close to CoB I sincerely think he wouldn't be fitting in CoB now. As a matter of fact he actually left Norther for Ensiferum and seemed to have so much more fun with Viking Metal than Death Melodic. Doesn't mean he prefers, but I think it suits him best.
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1. I've seen Ensiferum 3 times and haven't noticed any of this really. He acts less like a super star than Alexi IMO. He's thrown multiple jokes on stage, played a bit of paranoid when someone shouted "SOITTAKAA PARANOID" ("Play Paranoid!", it's some kind of a running joke in Finland, I hear it nearly every gig I go to) etc. He doesn't run around the stage high fiving everyone in the first few rows like Sami, but as he's occupied with the mic half the time and with his guitar the rest, it's kind of understandable (If Sami leaves a few notes out to high five the front row it's not anywhere near as easily audible as if Petri or Markus did it).

2. Petri was kicked from Norther as the rest of the band felt he was giving too much time to Ensiferum. Petri himself didn't want to leave. There's an interview where the interviewer asks him why he left and Petri tells him he didn't leave, he was kicked. Sounded pretty bitter about it IMO.
 
My bad about Norther, never heard about this "kicking him" story.

But if you're from Finland I can understand. They seem so much more comfortable in front of a finnish crowd. I've seen then 3 times in France and once in Norway and everytime he was the one acting like "Yeah, don't smile or look at the crowd, you're too cool for it, hell yeah" -_-

Maybe I was only on gigs during his bad days. But that's really what I got from him. Even when I got the chance to talk with him after the concert, it was always like "please, just go" and with every single person, not only me.. Kinda dislike such attitude from a man who ows much to his fans.
 
I got a similar feeling when I saw them in Stockholm earlier this year, but I wouldn't go as far as to call him a douchbag. To me it felt more like he just wanted to get it over with, at times it felt he didn't knew we were there and at times he seemed to enjoy the show. Sami though was really excited and interacted with the crowd all the time and the rest of the band too.
 
Sami Hinkka is a real beast on stage. Sometimes I wonder if he does cocaine XD It's not normal to be so speed everyday on tour XD But yeah, he is incredibly kind.
And about Petri yeah that's it, maybe you're right and "douchebag" was a bit too strong. But it really does seem like he doesn't care about what he's doing. Almost never starring at the audience unless there are slutty girl showing off their tits in the first row, not taking time for fans after the show, no interaction what so ever with them during the show either, etc... Sad :/
 
IDontKnowWhatToWrite said:
Sami Hinkka is a real beast on stage. Sometimes I wonder if he does cocaine XD It's not normal to be so speed everyday on tour XD But yeah, he is incredibly kind.
And about Petri yeah that's it, maybe you're right and "douchebag" was a bit too strong. But it really does seem like he doesn't care about what he's doing. Almost never starring at the audience unless there are slutty girl showing off their tits in the first row, not taking time for fans after the show, no interaction what so ever with them during the show either, etc... Sad :/
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You hypothesis that he's different when in Finland is starting to sound quite possible. Here he's been pretty interactive when performing. Haven't seen him after the gig, but I've never seen anyone from any band come to the audience to hang around (Haven't really expected for them to do so either so I've never waited for more than a few moments :D Is it normal for them to do so?).
 
ESA1996 said:
(Haven't really expected for them to do so either so I've never waited for more than a few moments :D Is it normal for them to do so?).
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Depends on the band, really. Bands like Bodom and Ensiferum consider themselves nowadays "Stars", so they usually don't :rofl: but I was hanging with guys from Grave or Heidevolk, or such bands...so usually those not so popular acts are more eager to interact with fans. Oh, and also I saw that members of Alestorm literally drink or smoke with their fans after the show, haha.
 
IDontKnowWhatToWrite said:
Would be better with some arguments from your side.
But I'll clarify all the points on which you could disagree.
1- Petri Lindroos is a douchebag = He is acting like world super star 24/7 and I've seen him really rarely having any fun on stage or being kind with fans.
2- Petri wouldn't fit CoB = Even though he was in Norther before and really close to CoB I sincerely think he wouldn't be fitting in CoB now. As a matter of fact he actually left Norther for Ensiferum and seemed to have so much more fun with Viking Metal than Death Melodic. Doesn't mean he prefers, but I think it suits him best.
3- Today's Petri wouldn't fit nice "esthetically" on stage with CoB. It's like if they pick Archie from The Local Band, he is an awesome player but could you really imagine Petri on stage with CoB ? And he'd probably steal all Alexi pussy-fans. Alexi wouldn't tolerate it XD
4- He is a much better guitar player: I'm not about writting music and solos, this Laiho does better. But when it comes down to playing those solo, Petri Lindroos as always shown the ability to play almost perfectly any solo of Ensiferum. While at EVERY SINGLE concert of CoB I've been Alexi managed to fuck up some solos if not all.
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1. Petri isn't a douchebag. Not wanking with fans after every show doesnt't make you douchebag.
2.Old Norther was almost 100% copy of bodom so they were actually quite close to each other. New Norther not so much.
3.Well I would rather see a bearded man(Petri) on stage with bodom than guy with even more makeup than Alexi and wears spandex pants. (Archie).
4. He is not better player than Alexi for sure. ''But when it comes down to playing those solo, Petri Lindroos as always shown the ability to play almost perfectly any solo of Ensiferum'', this is total bullshit. He can't play any of the old solos written by Jari Mäenpää properly and seems like he cannot sweep pick at all. We have actually inside joke about Petri's lack of sweeping skills with my friends. Go look at for example Lai lai hei or Token of time solos if you don't believe me.

So to sum it up, you said that Petri is a douchebag and better player than Alexi and in my opinion both are false.
 
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Wild_One69 said:
1. Petri isn't a douchebag. Not wanking with fans after every show doesnt't make you douchebag.
2.Old Norther was almost 100% copy of bodom so they were actually quite close to each other. New Norther not so much.
3.Well I would rather see a bearded man(Petri) on stage with bodom than guy with even more makeup than Alexi and wears spandex pants. (Archie).
4. He is not better player than Alexi for sure. ''But when it comes down to playing those solo, Petri Lindroos as always shown the ability to play almost perfectly any solo of Ensiferum'', this is total bullshit. He can't play any of the old solos written by Jari Mäenpää properly and seems like he cannot sweep pick at all. We have actually inside joke about Petri's lack of sweeping skills with my friends. Go look at for example Lai lai hei or Token of time solos if you don't believe me.

So to sum it up, you said that Petri is a douchebag and better player than Alexi and in my opinion both are false.
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Haven't yet checked out those solos, but I've always kind of felt that Petri plays cleaner than Alexi (When live), but Alexi's solos seem to be harder.
 
I was about to answer on a pretty mean way but you ended up with "in my opinion" and I respect you a lot for that, thanks.

It's not only about the fact that he doesn't like his fans. He seems pretty much absent from the stage, not taking any pleasure in music and looking at everyone, even other musician, like he is some kind of god.
For old nother I've heard that a lot but I've never ever believed it. It doesn't sound like CoB at all in my opinion.
About playing live, I've seen CoB 5 times and Ensiferum 4. Included one concert with both CoB and Ensiferum co-headlining the tour. And I can assure you that every single time I was amazed by how clean Petri's solos were. Sure, not as neat at Jari's, but he nailed all of them properly and clean. While Laiho fucks up almost every solo live (if you can at least hear his guitar XD ). Maybe you were lucky enough to see lives were Alexi played better.
 
Sure chemistry is important, but if COB has understanding in marketing, they will bring someone who creates excitement with character or looks or musical reputation. Alexi's vocals have been fucked up since HCDR days, most of times, sometimes he changed style but it's probably too late to do anything now - and this has affected their on-stage performance negatively. Little things they need to worry about: their clothing needs to be interesting, Alexi's vocals need some distortion and echo effects, their song order and the passages need to be thought out carefully. Some great passages they've been using at times, but sometimes they're unnecessary, sucky, and it would be better if Alexi didn't talk so much between songs. Keep it metal. And no pointless "yaows" here and there. It's these little things that determine whether their show feels epic as fuck or just a weird entertainment effort.

You can't just mix songs to whatever order, it needs to feel like a story, an unforgettable trip that has it's ups and downs, twists, suspense and climax. It's a feel thing and there's not necessarily any law of order, but it's important to feel like the songs transition interestingly. This is my theory but I think suspenseful songs (Living Dead, Hellhounds) should be followed by climax songs (Follow the Reaper), never with a happy song (Hate Me) or a twist song (Halo, Trashed).

I think it's best to follow this order:

Suspense song - Climax song - Happy song or Twist song.

It's like a chain. What's the point of playing a suspenseful song and then following it with happiness or a twist? Suspense is always followed by climax. Suspense raises your hair on goosebumps, then you're left breathless with a climatic song. After climax it's a new start, maybe a happy song to create euphoria so you can be deluded back to darkness. There's no point in following suspense with happiness or breaking suspense with new twist! And weird to play happy song and follow it with climax; mood swing comes too sudden. After a twist you go to the same direction for at least another song - why play only one happy song amidst dark songs, or one dark song amidst happy songs? It's up to everyone's feeling which songs belong in which category.

Following this theory a setlist might look something like this. Feel in your head how interesting the flow is and how there is nothing annoying about the order.

Living Dead Beat (suspense)
Horns (climax)
Kissing the Shadows ("happy")
Mask of Sanity (happy)
Hate Me (happy)
Halo of Blood (twist)
Silent Night, Bodom Night (suspense)
Hatebreeder (climax)
Towards Dead End ("happy")
Are You Dead Yet? (twist to darkness)
Hellhounds On My Trail (dark song)
Trashed, Lost & Strungout (suspense)
One Day You Will Cry (climax)
Prayer for the Afflicted (twist to "happiness")
Everytime I Die ("happy" song)

There's actually only two rules:
1) When you start creating a dark suspense, promising darkness or a climax, do not follow it with a happy song or twist! And never perform a heavy song after a happy song without creating suspense first! The audience will feel robbed if you follow Living Dead Beat with Bodom After Midnight. You first need to play something like AYDY, then they'll be too blown away they'll forgive you a happy song, even better if you prepare the feeling first with something like Kissing the Shadows.
2) Don't make twists back to back!

Of course each song has all kinds of elements, and you can't put art into this kind of formula, as you also have to take into account there are songs which feel natural at the start or at the end of a gig, and you have certain hits that have emotional value and need to be slotted somewhere, but this is something to consider when you don't want to create a mess.
 
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(__Joonas__) said:
Sure chemistry is important, but if COB has understanding in marketing, they will bring someone who creates excitement with character or looks or musical reputation. Alexi's vocals have been fucked up since HCDR days, most of times, sometimes he changed style but it's probably too late to do anything now - and this has affected their on-stage performance negatively. Little things they need to worry about: their clothing needs to be interesting, Alexi's vocals need some distortion and echo effects, their song order and the passages need to be thought out carefully. Some great passages they've been using at times, but sometimes they're unnecessary, sucky, and it would be better if Alexi didn't talk so much between songs. Keep it metal. And no pointless "yaows" here and there. It's these little things that determine whether their show feels epic as fuck or just a weird entertainment effort. You can't just mix songs to whatever order, it needs to feel like a story, an unforgettable trip that has it's ups and downs, twists, suspense and climax. They have songs that feel mythical and songs that feel superficial. When you play a suspenseful song like Living Deadbeat you can't suddenly play Hate Me or HCDR after that, but what you can do is play a climatic song like Follow the Reaper, and maybe after that you can play those tit-porn songs.
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Distortion in vocals generally sounds like shit IMO. WIWI verses are a good example.

Personally I find the talks between songs a big part of the enjoyment of live shows, and thus don't want them to be left out. If I only wanted the music, I'd stay home. Petri Lindroos has, here in Finland, always done a good job with the talks IMO. He's funny and answers the crowd if he hears them etc. Sami and Markus occasionally join the talking too, which is great.

Song order has never mattered to me.
 
I don't know if distortion is the right solution, but the screaming has become barking too much. Alexi's current vocals would need rapid doublebass stuff in verses to be fitting.

Actually the dry vocals he had fit the HCDR album's sound.



Then at some point he managed to lift it higher pitch. At some point he had a more Hatebreederish attempt going on and at some point he attempted lower vocals. I guess it's impossible to try to sing unnatural to you in this extreme style constantly for so long, which is why it's become more and more like "speaking screaming." It amazes me how Dani Filth can still do the girlish high scream. I haven't tried it for 17 years and probably never will, I still remember the technique but I don't wanna be taken to mental hospital so I won't try.
 
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