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J. said:
haven't heard that but it sums up my idea on thos whole prog /metal thing
the term progressive rock (imo) was coined in the 60's to describe the bands that were pushing the barriers, experimenting and being generally inventive
like pink floyd, zappa and the mothers, tangerine dream etc
its really easy to tag the term prog onto any old complcated wank with long songs, but its more of a reference to the past and therefore can't really be deemed progressive, it has to be about doing something new or pushing the boundaries considerably
celtic frost's, into the pandemonium , voivod's demension hatross
these are albums that pushed music forwards
heres a good quote from wikipeda
"Avant-garde in French means front guard, advance guard, or vanguard. People often use the term to refer to people or works that are novel or experimental, particularly with respect to art, culture, and politics. An enormous part of Avant-garde is the Russian avant-garde.
Avant-garde pushes the boundaries of what is accepted as the norm within definitions of art/culture/reality. An avant-garde mentality believes things arise only from the leading edge of reality."
also stole this, which explains my ramble better i think
"It should be noted that the term "progressive" in the early 1970s had been coined to emphasize the newness of these bands, but by the 1980s the term had become the name of a specific musical style. As a result, bands such as King Crimson which continued to update their sound were not always called "progressive", while some newer self-described "prog" bands purchased vintage mellotrons in order to recreate the sound of early 1970s prog. Fans and hostile critics alike had established "progressive rock" as the permanent name of this genre, and so the connection to the usual meaning of "progressive" became irrelevant."
I guess thats why I'd rather use the terms avante garde or progressive rather than 'prog' because its become a contradiction in real terms
