let this thread be where we discuss religions,rather than having these discussions almost in every where.
paradoxile statments really cought my attention..
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If that is the case then, they are not jewish, their blood is ‎Arabian, no matter what they do they can't be Jewish.:Smug: ‎‎
They had Arabic names ,they spoke Arabic,they were living ‎with arabs in the Al Madina for two centuries before ‎Mohammad was born.‎
Second, how come you know that Muhammad called these ‎Jewish "barbarians"?‎
The prophet can't sat such things coz That completely contradicts the Quran; the Quran says that no one is allowed to force someone else to be a Muslim, hence ‎you can't despise him / her for not being a one.‎
Muslims were living with other ‎non-muslim people for centuries, they only took from them ‎certain amount of money, and in return the Muslims defend ‎them against invaders.And they were NOT FORCED to be Muslims.‎
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your saying that as if the muslims betrayed the jews not the opposite..
well I am going to tell the real story so you might understand what really happaned.
The Al madina jews hated Muhammed from the first place,when he came to Al madina.
but why??
because they knew, and it was written in their Torah that the last prophet is an arabian and not a jew.
The meccans asked rabbis from Al Madina if Muhammad was really the expected prophet,The rabbis told the meccans to ask Muhammad 3 questions.
and even after Muhammad answerd them right,they were still not convinced.
The meccans hated muhammad very much to extent that made him and his folowers depart from his own city to Al madina(where the jews were living).
There were many Jewish clans in Al Madina more than twenty, of which three were prominent-the Banu Nadir, the Banu Qaynuqa, and the Banu Qurayza.(notice the Arabic names)
According to most sources, individuals from among these clans plotted to take his life at least twice, and once they came within a bite of poisoning
him. Two of the tribes--the Banu Nadir and the Banu Qaynuqa--were eventually exiled for falling short on their agreed upon commitments and for the consequent danger they posed to the nascent Muslim community.
The danger was great. During this period, the Meccans were actively trying to dislodge Muhammad militarily, twice marching large armies to Medina. Muhammad was nearly killed in the first engagement, on the plains of Uhud just outside of Medina. In their second and final military push against Medina, now known as the Battle of the Trench, the Meccans recruited allies from northwestern Arabia to join the fight, including the assistance of the two exiled Jewish tribes. In addition, they sent envoys to the largest Jewish tribe still in Medina, the Banu Qurayza, hoping to win their support. The Banu Qurayza's crucial location on the south side of Medina would allow the Meccans to attack Muhammad from two sides.
The Banu Qurayza were hesitant to join the Meccan alliance, but when a substantial Meccan army arrived, they agreed.
As a siege began, the Banu Qurayza nervously awaited further developments. Learning of their intention to defect and realizing the grave danger this posed, Muhammad initiated diplomatic efforts to keep the Banu Qurayza on his side. Little progress was made. In the third week of the siege, the Banu Qurayza signaled their readiness to act against Muhammad, although they demanded that the Meccans provide them with hostages first, to ensure that they wouldn't be abandoned to face Muhammad alone. Yet that is exactly what happened. The Meccans, nearing exhaustion themselves, refused to give the Banu Qurayza any hostages. Not long after, cold, heavy rains set in, and the Meccans gave up the fight and marched home, to the horror and dismay of the Banu Qurayza.
The Muslims now commenced a 25-day siege against the Banu Qurazya's fortress. Finally, both sides agreed to arbitration. A former ally of the Banu Qurayza, an Arab chief named Sa'd ibn Muadh, now a Muslim, was chosen as judge. Sa'd, one of the few casualties of battle, would soon die of his wounds. If the earlier tribal relations had been in force, he would have certainly spared the Banu Qurayza. His fellow chiefs urged him to pardon these former allies, but he refused. In his view, the Banu Qurayza had attacked the new social order and failed to honor their agreement to protect the town. He ruled that all the men should be killed. Muhammad accepted his judgment, and the next day, according to Muslim sources, 700 men of the Banu Qurayza were executed. Although Sa'd judged according to his own views, his ruling coincides with Deuteronomy 20:12-14.
I really hope this would work.
paradoxile statments really cought my attention..
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Muslims believe not only in Jewish prophets but also in their ‎holy scriptures like the Torah for example,in fact to be a muslim ‎you must believe in that.‎
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First how would you know if the Jews in the Al Medina (the place ‎where Muhammad was living) were truly Jews, what if they ‎where Arabs who followed the Jewish faith?
If that is the case then, they are not jewish, their blood is ‎Arabian, no matter what they do they can't be Jewish.:Smug: ‎‎
They had Arabic names ,they spoke Arabic,they were living ‎with arabs in the Al Madina for two centuries before ‎Mohammad was born.‎
Second, how come you know that Muhammad called these ‎Jewish "barbarians"?‎
The prophet can't sat such things coz That completely contradicts the Quran; the Quran says that no one is allowed to force someone else to be a Muslim, hence ‎you can't despise him / her for not being a one.‎
Muslims were living with other ‎non-muslim people for centuries, they only took from them ‎certain amount of money, and in return the Muslims defend ‎them against invaders.And they were NOT FORCED to be Muslims.‎
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I guess you meant seize..anyways, sorry but that does not make any sense.
your saying that as if the muslims betrayed the jews not the opposite..
well I am going to tell the real story so you might understand what really happaned.
The Al madina jews hated Muhammed from the first place,when he came to Al madina.
but why??
because they knew, and it was written in their Torah that the last prophet is an arabian and not a jew.
The meccans asked rabbis from Al Madina if Muhammad was really the expected prophet,The rabbis told the meccans to ask Muhammad 3 questions.
and even after Muhammad answerd them right,they were still not convinced.
The meccans hated muhammad very much to extent that made him and his folowers depart from his own city to Al madina(where the jews were living).
There were many Jewish clans in Al Madina more than twenty, of which three were prominent-the Banu Nadir, the Banu Qaynuqa, and the Banu Qurayza.(notice the Arabic names)
According to most sources, individuals from among these clans plotted to take his life at least twice, and once they came within a bite of poisoning
him. Two of the tribes--the Banu Nadir and the Banu Qaynuqa--were eventually exiled for falling short on their agreed upon commitments and for the consequent danger they posed to the nascent Muslim community.
The danger was great. During this period, the Meccans were actively trying to dislodge Muhammad militarily, twice marching large armies to Medina. Muhammad was nearly killed in the first engagement, on the plains of Uhud just outside of Medina. In their second and final military push against Medina, now known as the Battle of the Trench, the Meccans recruited allies from northwestern Arabia to join the fight, including the assistance of the two exiled Jewish tribes. In addition, they sent envoys to the largest Jewish tribe still in Medina, the Banu Qurayza, hoping to win their support. The Banu Qurayza's crucial location on the south side of Medina would allow the Meccans to attack Muhammad from two sides.
The Banu Qurayza were hesitant to join the Meccan alliance, but when a substantial Meccan army arrived, they agreed.
As a siege began, the Banu Qurayza nervously awaited further developments. Learning of their intention to defect and realizing the grave danger this posed, Muhammad initiated diplomatic efforts to keep the Banu Qurayza on his side. Little progress was made. In the third week of the siege, the Banu Qurayza signaled their readiness to act against Muhammad, although they demanded that the Meccans provide them with hostages first, to ensure that they wouldn't be abandoned to face Muhammad alone. Yet that is exactly what happened. The Meccans, nearing exhaustion themselves, refused to give the Banu Qurayza any hostages. Not long after, cold, heavy rains set in, and the Meccans gave up the fight and marched home, to the horror and dismay of the Banu Qurayza.
The Muslims now commenced a 25-day siege against the Banu Qurazya's fortress. Finally, both sides agreed to arbitration. A former ally of the Banu Qurayza, an Arab chief named Sa'd ibn Muadh, now a Muslim, was chosen as judge. Sa'd, one of the few casualties of battle, would soon die of his wounds. If the earlier tribal relations had been in force, he would have certainly spared the Banu Qurayza. His fellow chiefs urged him to pardon these former allies, but he refused. In his view, the Banu Qurayza had attacked the new social order and failed to honor their agreement to protect the town. He ruled that all the men should be killed. Muhammad accepted his judgment, and the next day, according to Muslim sources, 700 men of the Banu Qurayza were executed. Although Sa'd judged according to his own views, his ruling coincides with Deuteronomy 20:12-14.
I really hope this would work.
