The SOPA Soap Opera

It wasn't a reference to the internet but the direct disregard for everyone but the people who bribe them. Griping about SOPA/PIPA is fruitless because they'll wait for you to lose interest and sneak provisions into a future bill, as the MPAA and Hollywood have made it clear they'll keep hammering at them until they get their way. These bills are only a recent development in a long history of us becoming a corporatocracy, but by all means, assume keeping your internet rights a few months longer means they've given up on trying to fuck you. Occupy "insert city here" doesn't work either. If we replaced the people we elect with ones that were less corrupt, it would be a good start, but we have to elect people who DON'T want the job to achieve that.
 
Kinda like in Switzerland if they catch you throwing your recyclables away with the regular garbage.
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Am I the only one who feels that the internet should be above all countries, ie no government can claim rights to it or take down and ban sites?
 
Most companies that have embraced the internet have profitted huge by investing or buying up the right areas. It's like trying to fight for the right to own slaves. All the slavers were refusing to give up that right and at the end it turned into a civil war.
 
At the end of the day, I agree that someone's intellectual property gives them a right to fight for their share. But fighting the giant of the internet on piracy isn't the way to go about it. Sooner or later there will have to be another way to make money on the things that are getting pirated. Movies are the ones loosing the most money here, but even them "loosing" out means they're maybe missing a million bucks of the 50 million they made in profit making that movie. Music is where the actual artists get the worst hit. I'm sure there are many people here who know how hard it is to make money on music these days.

When it comes to music, and though I may be a minority, if I enjoy the music of the artist, I will always purchase and support them as much as I can. Movies on the other hand, if I can avoid giving money to these big prolific actors, actresses, directors and producers who's lives are a joke and followed to every single little poop-stained undies they misplace, I've lived down a good day.
 
All right, so we need one agency to control that. Maybe put the UN in charge of that? But nothing else (I think).

Haha, yeah. It's probably best you stay in Switzerland and let the rest of the world who lives in reality decide how to govern themselves. Just be happy with your chocolate, ski resorts, and overzealous police and stay neutral, because you're definitely not ready for geopolitics yet.

Living in a haven for political despots and former dictators doesn't exactly make your case better, either. If you're gonna give advice to other countries and criticize other countries, you need to stand on one side of the fence or the other; it doesn't matter which, just choose. Until then, just keep selling me your chocolate.
 
Perhaps the fact that money can't be made in music anymore is the best thing to happen to it since electric guitar.

I imagine if it hasn't had its effect already, that the lack of profit will help the quality of the material musicians as a whole put out. If you can't sell out, and executives find it unfeasible to hire "talent" to pump out garbage, we'll have less crap we have to listen to on radio/tv.

For the musician, yeah piracy sucks. But the primary motivation for creating music should be for expressing one self and evoking a feeling or reaction in the listener. Money should always be secondary.

I personally believe music should be a hobby, not a career. Money is the cancer of motivation. In government, we no longer have public servants, we now have earmark/kickback-hungry career politicians. In sports, money helps teams monopolize talent, as any city can buy an athlete from anywhere. Kinda ruins the whole idea of the exhibition and pride of local talent, also makes for boring and predictable outcomes (Patriots, Yankees). Money taints doctors who become increasingly less compassionate, and begin to prioritize money in their judgments on treating patients.

If money cannot be made in music anymore, one day popular music can be dominated by artists based on the merit of their talent, not the pocketbooks of their 'owners'.
 
Haha, yeah. It's probably best you stay in Switzerland and let the rest of the world who lives in reality decide how to govern themselves. Just be happy with your chocolate, ski resorts, and overzealous police and stay neutral, because you're definitely not ready for geopolitics yet.

Living in a haven for political despots and former dictators doesn't exactly make your case better, either. If you're gonna give advice to other countries and criticize other countries, you need to stand on one side of the fence or the other; it doesn't matter which, just choose. Until then, just keep selling me your chocolate.
Yeah, thing is SOPA and PIPA affect us all. If it was a purely American issue I wouldnt really care, despite the fact that I am a dual citizen and an american by birth. Dont assume I like everything that goes on here just because I live here. Youd be surprised at how much sway Switzerland has in geopolitics, right since the Wiener Kongress in 1814, something youd know if you had studied history.
If you're gonna give advice to other countries and criticize other countries, you need to stand on one side of the fence or the other; it doesn't matter which, just choose
And that was the biggest load of bullshit Ive ever heard.
 
SOPA (ΣΩΠΑ) means shut up in Greek, which is probably a coincidence, although a funny one...

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and an interesting link.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7DkrsCCQ_A&feature=fvst[/ame]
 
Yeah, thing is SOPA and PIPA affect us all. If it was a purely American issue I wouldnt really care, despite the fact that I am a dual citizen and an american by birth. Dont assume I like everything that goes on here just because I live here. Youd be surprised at how much sway Switzerland has in geopolitics, right since the Wiener Kongress in 1814, something youd know if you had studied history.

And that was the biggest load of bullshit Ive ever heard.

I never said Switzerland didn't have any sway in geopolitics, it's just that what Switzerland says would be largely ignored by just about everyone due to their neutrality. You wanted the UN to be in charge of eradicating child pornography, right? That right there tells me you don't know DICK about the real world, like most of your fellow citizens. The UN is about as useless as a screen door on a submarine, and is only used as a PR tool. You would know that if you lived in the real world. Switzerland is to geopolitics what Catholicism is to atheists.

Of course you'd think it's the biggest load of bullshit you've ever heard; you live in Switzerland. You look at the world from a neutral bubble, safely sitting right on top of the fence. You see nothing wrong with standing on the sidelines and pointing the finger at everyone else while not doing a thing to help or get involved with either party. But it's a necessary evil because the world needs Switzerland specifically for that purpose. However, when speaking about geopolitics, you shouldn't point the finger and chastise anyone if you don't stand for anything. Just STFU. That doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on the topic, but you will STFU about it. You can take a side, you can stay quiet, or you can GTFO. You telling other people in other countries what's wrong with them and their country, and MORE IMPORTANTLY WHAT THEY SHOULD DO, even if you're right, is insulting when you live in a country completely immune from the rest of the world.

I'm not arguing with you; in fact, I agree with everything you said. But my saying the same thing carries a bit more weight than you since I live in the real world. Also, here's a hint: many Swiss people do the same thing you're doing, and that's why they piss everyone off in Europe. They point the finger and criticize everyone else while living safely in their bubble, completely immune to any ill effects of the rest of the world. Knock that shit off.

Oh, and by the way, tell the rest of the Swiss to slow the fuck down on our autostrada. We understand that you're excited that you're able to drive faster than 70 km/h for once, but don't overdo it. Italians drive 150/160 km/h on the autostrada because they know how to drive and regularly do. You, on the other hand, don't. Knock that shit off and stop causing accidents because you don't know how to drive. It's not an amusement park. :p

BTW, I'm American too. I just live here. You being American "by birth" (which to me means you haven't lived in the US in a long time, possibly ever) doesn't even enter into the argument.

Taking a stand on an issue doesn't mean giving your opinion on it while sitting on the fence. You wouldn't even be interested in SOPA if it didn't affect you, and the only reason it would affect you would be because you wouldn't be able to download what you wanted. You don't care about individual freedoms of Americans...you just don't want the internet to change FOR YOU IN SWITZERLAND. That is why your opinion means exactly shit to the rest of the world.

Before you get mad, remember you opened this can of worms by criticizing everyone else while sitting in your ivory tower. A citizen of a country more socialist than Sweden and conservative as well (who even banned metal bands from playing because they were "satanic") is gonna point the finger at the US and talk about how un-free it is? Are you serious? I mean, I'm not really against socialism...I think the US could use more socialism, actually...but to hear you chastising the US about limiting personal freedoms when you live in Switzerland made me LOL really hard.
 
Perhaps the fact that money can't be made in music anymore is the best thing to happen to it since electric guitar.

I imagine if it hasn't had its effect already, that the lack of profit will help the quality of the material musicians as a whole put out. If you can't sell out, and executives find it unfeasible to hire "talent" to pump out garbage, we'll have less crap we have to listen to on radio/tv.

For the musician, yeah piracy sucks. But the primary motivation for creating music should be for expressing one self and evoking a feeling or reaction in the listener. Money should always be secondary.

I personally believe music should be a hobby, not a career. Money is the cancer of motivation. In government, we no longer have public servants, we now have earmark/kickback-hungry career politicians. In sports, money helps teams monopolize talent, as any city can buy an athlete from anywhere. Kinda ruins the whole idea of the exhibition and pride of local talent, also makes for boring and predictable outcomes (Patriots, Yankees). Money taints doctors who become increasingly less compassionate, and begin to prioritize money in their judgments on treating patients.

If money cannot be made in music anymore, one day popular music can be dominated by artists based on the merit of their talent, not the pocketbooks of their 'owners'.

I love you and want to have your babies. I've always believed music should be more of a hobby and that "successful musician" would mean you don't need to have a regular job...not that you can buy Ferraris and private jets and a house in the hamptons with a summer house in Tuscany.

Now, to quote Max, goddamn I love money. I see nothing wrong with wealthy people and I think they deserve to have their wealth as long as they didn't attain it by unethical means. If being successful were synonymous with bringing good things into the world, the world would be different. Art is a good thing, don't get me wrong. But making lots of money off of shit is not art...it's a travesty.
 
By the same token, if you produce solid gold shit and somehow manage to trick people into paying good money for it, then you may be a manipulative, shameful bastard but you deserve every penny you get.
 
Yes, and by the same token of the same token :lol:, when you get caught out being a fraudulent piece of shit, you should pay back every single cent you made and then go to prison.

The making of money today isn't the problem, it's the fact that if you make enough of it fraudulently you can never be held accountable, e.g., "too big to fail". No one's saying that making money off of other people's stupidity should be a crime, but ILLEGALLY making money off of other people's stupidity is. Sadly, if you make enough money illegally, you'll just get a slap on the wrist.
 
Dog eat dog. We embrace one side, so we have to embrace the other. Those of us getting fucked always have the luxury of claiming the game is rigged.