The true nature of good and evil . . .?

[UnsaneCulture]

I had a messed up experience on Ketamine a few months back, and found myself quite literally ‘face to face’ with what I’d describe as the true nature of good and evil. This all supports my own ideas that single opposing embodiments of these separate forces cannot truly exist. They’re simply imaginative figments – possibly created by the forces themselves – or perceptually created by those who come into contact with them.
Evil is its own root form – a lifeless – soulless – loveless – relentless force that spreads throughout our material reality through peoples psyche – their emotions – souls. Of course it can’t originate there – I believe it’s just its way in from another place entirely. Like sound being able to travel through physical objects – satellite transmissions also. They have their own separate dimension in which they travel – and in that dimension there is no solid matter – yet we can pick up these signals and interpret them clearly.
I somehow saw a difference between darkness and evil in my own mind. Gabber music and heavy metal music has been seen as the devil’s music – so people who do not understand the underground music culture see it as ‘evil’. Well I say it’s just dark. Dark isn’t evil – darkness is more natural than light – our bodies needed darkness to develop – we need it to sleep. But also darkness is void of light - void of love. So evil can creep in through darkness and fester there – creating false perceptions and even fear of the dark.
Some people are afraid of the darkness in their own bedrooms – there’s no real logic behind this fear – they are alone. Is something in their being playing with their senses and making them fearing the dark? What’s different about the same empty room with the light on or during the daytime? Is it because you can physically see there’s nothing in that room with you – or has light pushed that fear provoking evil from the room or further back into their minds?
Darkness is evils bearer – it’s not the origin of it – neither is it part of it. If somehow we could filter the two – we’d be left with two separate entities. Darkness – void of light and love – and Evil -the true force of it. Darkness will not lead souls to ‘hell’. ‘Hell’ will lead souls to ‘hell’.
Hell doesn’t have to mean a big cave at the centre of the earth full of volcanoes and demons – neither a place where ‘bad’ people go. Those are just imaginative figments again created by minds that come into contact with either good or evil forces – a simple misguided interpretation. What if ‘hell’ is just a dimension void of emotion – life – colours – form - where this evil force originates from – an unconscious force stronger than human comprehension – more driven than the most active of minds. It claws its way into our world through fearful minds – and passed on like a disease by the weak and hateful. It can fester inside the minds of the weak – merging with their entire being if they are willing enough – like those who believe evil to be ‘good’, or ‘cool’. When really all it wants is to spread – to destroy and conquer. Maybe that’s all it can do. It’s the very nature of evil to be evil.
And the force of good the same – reaches out through light and love – passed on by those who welcome it – creating or adhering to a balance of the two throughout the universe. Could it be – whoever is touched by either side and accepts it – then get pulled to its origin after death? A soul tainted with evil cannot possibly be allowed into ‘paradise’, for it would bring evil with it? Or would it simply be cleansed by it like the fear invoking empty bedroom during the daytime?

My experience on K was simply me questioning whether I am good or an evil person – I just got sucked into a whole new realm of possibilities. That maybe even the most evil of hearts we see today are not just naturally like that – maybe they’re simply infected with evil from this other place - merging with them and creating a doer of malevolence, a sadist. Do they then deserve eternal torture for being simply weak towards its suggestion?
This experience is obviously open to debate and I’m sure there’s a tremendous amount of holes but trying to recall every detail of your basic mind trip from a drug is difficult. There’s more to it than what I’ve remembered – but I tried to put it out there the best I could.

 

[hexwind]

I personally think that Evil means everything that can be harmful for an individual, and Good is the opposite, for example : I take off your money, it's good for me, but it's bad for you. So evil and Good is subjective IMO.
And about darkness, like what you said, we can't physically see things and we don't know what's surrounding us, so the probability of danger is more than when we are in light and that's why i think our minds start to think about all the "Evil" things at that time.
This is one of the reasons that the human being was worshipping Sun.

 

[Resonator]

I think a different form of control is needed here. The concept of what Hell is, fire or whatever, is really irrelevant. Your body is a natural magnet for both.

Love thyself and be shameless, and when you mature, Mind will come for you to bear a gift. And you will become three.

[/riddlz] XD

 

[razoredge]

Yeah, so it would be a good thing to stay away from that Ketamine, what ever the fuck it is.

I do appreaciate your ambition for the thoughts

But

To me good and evil are simply right and wrong according to how... something effects other living creatures around one as well the environment. Right is doing the best one can at the highest percentage of ones time. Wrong is an act of selfishness and weakness.

I feel we are nothing but evolved organisms that will return to the earth... dust to dust, ashes to ashes. I dont believe in outside forces, parallell universes, heaven and hell, black holes or any other sci-fi be it the ideals of the ancients or those of movies today.... all nonsence to me.

Light and dark - theres this thing called the sun, it rises in the morning and sets in the evening... for all the known reasons... it works well for all living things be they creatures or plants... that is the end of it for me.

Life is short and in the end NONE of THIS matters

 

[hexwind]

II dont believe in outside forces, parallell universes, heaven and hell, black holes or any other sci-fi be it the ideals of the ancients or those of movies today.... all nonsence to me.

Do you mean that Black Holes don't exist??
I'm not that good at astronomy so would be great if you explain your opinions please
About those parallel universes, as I've been taught in my religion, they say that angels,for example, are made out of Light and they move in a very high speed, i never believed that before. but, those supernatural creatures might be able to move in quicker than the speed of light, thus, they are unseen by the human eye. It can be right?
And Heaven and Hell have different meanings from Religion to another.
I think that science and technology are still able to prove wether some stuff (in religion mostly) are true or not. So Expect the unexpected !

 

[NamelessX]

I personally don’t believe in good and evil. They’re very primitive descriptions which everyone interprets differently. For example, To most of us Hitler was evil, but to his followers he was good.
The winners decide who’s evil. Some religious people may say I’m evil for not believing in a deity, I don’t think I’m evil.
I do believe in right not wrong to a certain extent however , but “good and evil” is something which is very personal, and not black and white.

 

[razoredge]

Do you mean that Black Holes don't exist??

No I dont believe they are a portal to somewhere else or that they swallow large objects never to be seen again. I saw a program where they were trying to find "black holes" in the ocean, by Bermuda and one over in the sea of Japan or somewhere 180* from Bermuda, it was rediculous. Black hole became a bit of a fashion trend and fortunantly has nothing to do with our dayly lives, which in the end matter not anyhow.

 

[hexwind]

No I dont believe they are a portal to somewhere else or that they swallow large objects never to be seen again. I saw a program where they were trying to find "black holes" in the ocean, by Bermuda and one over in the sea of Japan or somewhere 180* from Bermuda, it was rediculous. Black hole became a bit of a fashion trend and fortunantly has nothing to do with our dayly lives, which in the end matter not anyhow.

I meant black holes in space. Of course you can't believe that they are portal to somewhere else coz none had ever went there and came back to describe what's in there.

 

[razoredge]

So did I but I was just expressing this "black hole" thing got way out of control. No one ever will go to a black hole its a worthless distraction, most people get maybe 70 years around this place, it would do them good to stay focused, but alas some spend too much time watching sci-fi and hopeing the fairy tales will come true.

 

[hexwind]

Got it.

 

[Ultimate_Symphony]

Do they then deserve eternal torture for being simply weak towards its suggestion?

Are their actions justified just for them being weak?

 

[razoredge]

Are their actions justified just for them being weak?

Interesting and universally adaptable

 

[v2kv]

So evil and Good is subjective IMO.

This is pretty much what it comes down to. I don't think it's completely subjective though, because a lot of what we consider "good" and "evil" is just the result of influence from society, culture, or just any general community one adheres to. Obviously for more complex beliefs, this doesn't really apply, but generally it does.

 

[MasterT44]

I simply believe that good and evil are what the individual makes of it. Someone completely inconsiderate, malicious, and selfish may view themselves as good possibly because they assume that being good means only doing good for one's own self.

In a nutshell I believe that the relative qualities of good and evil are always debatable and therefore are not governed by 'forces.'

 

[Vimana]

I describe evil as conscious unnecessary intentional negative action towards another being.

 

[10293847]

I personally think that Evil means everything that can be harmful for an individual, and Good is the opposite, for example : I take off your money, it's good for me, but it's bad for you. So evil and Good is subjective IMO.

I agree with what you've said, except for your conclusion. Wouldn't what you said then make good objective?

Clearly, if anyone has anything that is theirs taken from them, they will see this as a negative or, "evil" act. We don't need to look at a set of rules to know what is, "good" and "evil" or right and wrong. It's innate within us.

This is why religion is flawed. We don't need a made-up deity to instill in us decency. We know what being a decent person is. You treat others the way you'd like to be treated. If you don't, you know that you are not doing something right.

 

[hexwind]

I think the rules are made this way : just imagine if you were in my place, if that would hurt you as it did to me? so that's evil, if not so that okay. but the question is, what if some people consider things "evil" when they happen to them and some other don't.

 

[razoredge]

I agree with what you've said, except for your conclusion. Wouldn't what you said then make good objective?

Clearly, if anyone has anything that is theirs taken from them, they will see this as a negative or, "evil" act. We don't need to look at a set of rules to know what is, "good" and "evil" or right and wrong. It's innate within us.

This is why religion is flawed. We don't need a made-up deity to instill in us decency. We know what being a decent person is. You treat others the way you'd like to be treated. If you don't, you know that you are not doing something right.

Word !
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Hex, some people just dont give a shit and will say whats good for them is all that matters.... they cant die soon enough and I dont think anyone should care about how they feel, they should just be drug out in the park on Sunday and hanged by the neck. That is truely how I feel, enough is enough, we have had centuries to understand this stuff, what problems it causes for society and yet these pieces of shit still breath our air, still breed, they are in all walks of life and they need be made examples of. Everytime one rises and shows their ugly soul they should be snuffed, sooner or latter the residual might catch on and in the mean time I can have me some fun.

 

[anatarsisphagist]

Good and Evil are ideas based off of what people interpret of actions intuitively. Obviously if somebody seeks personal gain at another's expense, they will be seen as bad because the viewer can sympathize with the victim while having jealousy and anger towards the 'evil' one because they have something they didn't gain legitimately

 

[Obsidianheart]

As someone pointed out before, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Therefore, good and evil don't exist. The dictionary defines evil as profoundly immoral, but what is morality? It's different to every person. There are a few things that I guess would be universally accepted as immoral such as murder without any sort of cause, but I don't believe that anyone does that. Those who have always have some kind of mental problem, and can't be counted as inherently evil.