to all atheists/agnostics/wavering christians

[Sadistik]

read atlas shrugged, its logic is the strongest i have ever heard against christianity, so strong i was converted. it brings to light the horror of this doctrine.

Read it.

Unlike some people I don't need books to dictate my belief systems. Thats as bad as believing in a political tool like the Bible.


Oh yeah, I'm an atheist to the extreme if that clears anything up.

 

[Chuut-Riit]

nah, i am fideist (something between Agnostic and christian, I like it )
So far..religion does not necessarily mean being devoted to a higher will..thats bullshit, but too many ppl view it like that. But I don't mind, because,lets say, 60% of the world's religious leaders (monotheistic religions) pervert the meanings by their greed for mind control
As lemmy kilmister says, "if jesus showed up now he'd be locked in jail"
F**king crap.

 

[Chromatose]

down with religion

up with spirituality

 

[Ihreil Junkenstein]

Right here where you left me experimenting...... Up with Dev!

 

[Chromatose]

"Bored out of my fucking mind


....


I'm so fucking sick of all you
Sick stupid people"

 

[Ihreil Junkenstein]

And if that's all there is
If this is it .....
Won't someone help me?

 

[Captain Beard]

Well, if you don't have a religion but do need hope, remember that many scientists said it's likely that reincarnation can happen.

 

[Chromatose]

I've always gotten a good laugh out of this SNL sketch

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/96/96cheyward.phtml

"The Heyward Foundation. Working really hard to get Mr. Heyward into Heaven."

 

[Ihreil Junkenstein]

Many scientists will also say anything you want if yu wasve a chequebook infront of them.
not that i, cynical or anything....

 

[Chuut-Riit]

Haha..so give em more money and soon we will have faster-than-light spacship drives
@Chromatose: Well, yes..religion was formed because of the need for spirituality..unite em and we have some cool stuff to smoke weed about, haha
I will stick to my stuff.

 

[Ihreil Junkenstein]

Money wont make them DO things, it just makes them say things. If throwing cash made things work then the world would be fixed in DAYS!

 

[Chuut-Riit]

I'm going to get one of the egg heads too (chemistry),
just needa kick some butt..

 

[Chromatose]

religion is commercialized spirituality

 

[Ihreil Junkenstein]

Religon is a cheap easy way of keeping control.
Spirituality has nothing to do with it.

 

[Chuut-Riit]

Yeah, as long as you make the difference between "church" and "religion" itself. well, ok, the important things have been said, if not here, then in other threads...

 

[Ihreil Junkenstein]

Be spiritual, belive in whatever you want but if you have to go to a certain place on a certain day na ddo little rituals and obey rules imposed arbirtarialy by others..... or it's all void.....Well, lets think a second shall we?

 

[Chuut-Riit]

Think a second is good.
I am not a fan of going to church. Doesn't satisfy spiritual needs.
And there are some theologists in germany, who have some interesting things to say, but are oppressed by the church, because it is against their dogmas
Thank god I have a brain..

 

[Ihreil Junkenstein]

I thought religious supression was pretty rare now. What kind of things are they advocating that's so anti church?

 

[Chuut-Riit]

Well, of couse it is not like in the middle ages or the renaissance with an inquisition, but I have heard about a theologist in Paderborn, who advocates things like self-salvation is possible in christianity and other interesting stuff (sorry, I dont remember everything which was said), but he is prohibited from teaching these things by the church in a more subtle way than inquisition - they withdrawed him the permission to teach at the universities.
Subtle and effective ways of suppressing uncomfortable opinions..this is a typical symptom of modern society and pissing me off.