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Oh, and I also was never making excuses for people stupid enough to start in the first place. I agree totally with Spiff (for a change haha), once they have got addicted though they deserve help. Because as Koich said, they hate it as much as everybody else once they are addicted. Everyone deserves a second chance to make good I think... and getting hooked on heroin IS as simple as one mistake no matter what you say.
Again, I'm not making excuses for them and I'm also not saying its a small mistake, and I agree with Sydo that its easy to just not get hooked in the first place. BUT, using heroin once CAN be a very simple mistake, especially if its done when you're not in a stable frame of mind at the time and that one mistake can be all it takes to become that addiction.
You just have absolutely no understanding, compassion or tolerance Spawny. One mistake and you think we sohuld just give up on them coz they are worthless.
Again, I'm not making excuses for them and I'm also not saying its a small mistake, and I agree with Sydo that its easy to just not get hooked in the first place. BUT, using heroin once CAN be a very simple mistake, especially if its done when you're not in a stable frame of mind at the time and that one mistake can be all it takes to become that addiction.
You just have absolutely no understanding, compassion or tolerance Spawny. One mistake and you think we sohuld just give up on them coz they are worthless.
phlogiston
Bejabbers!
Well that's cool Spawny... if I was a murderer I'd want you to be my sentencer so I get the death penalty! 
And that also is another excellent reason against the death penalty there Phloggy as well. Not only it is an easy way out for the offender, but its irreversable as well.
phlogiston
Bejabbers!
With DNA etc. that they now have? Not much. Why keep the Anita Cobby murderers/rapists alive for instance? What they did to her was inhuman. Or the group rapists that were found guilty here last year? About 9 of them pack raped a girl. Thats not even human behaviour, its reprehensible behaviour even savage animals dont do.phlogiston said:
Goreripper
Metal as fuck
No it isn't. People can end up addicted to substances without even knowing it. Even if they say "no", can you imagine how hard that would be when you're surrounded by people 24/7 who are shooting up shit, hoovering down stuff and gulping down pills all the time, always saying "Here man, have some." It's not that easy to say no, and it's not that easy to walk away from, especially if you're Nikki Sixx or someone and that's the environment you're surrounded by. Saying "No" is easy to do when you're pushed the stuff now and then, but when you're surrounded by it all day, every day, for YEARS, the choice not to start becomes very difficult.Sydo said:
Free meals, TV, air-conditioning, gyms and drugs are pretty minor perks in comparison to the negatives of our prisons. Which by the way is another thing that needs a re-examination. Australia's prison system is apparently one of the worst in the world and I'd believe it.
People go into prison for 2 months for a minor offence and come out a hardened criminal, far worse than they were when they went in. Once you've been in the slammer once its hard to escape a life of crime afterwards... you just become a part of the criminal community really. The prison system is supposed to be there as much to reform as it is to protect the community. Unfortunately it doesn't do any reforming at all, which means essentially it doesn't protect either because as soon as a criminal is free again they are worse than they were when they started.
Re-examine and alter the prison system to it reforms criminals and gives them a chance at life after jail (rather than forcing them to be terminally unemployed and turn to crime) and then Spawny's argument about prison sentences not protecting the community won't be quite as much of an issue perhaps.
People go into prison for 2 months for a minor offence and come out a hardened criminal, far worse than they were when they went in. Once you've been in the slammer once its hard to escape a life of crime afterwards... you just become a part of the criminal community really. The prison system is supposed to be there as much to reform as it is to protect the community. Unfortunately it doesn't do any reforming at all, which means essentially it doesn't protect either because as soon as a criminal is free again they are worse than they were when they started.
Re-examine and alter the prison system to it reforms criminals and gives them a chance at life after jail (rather than forcing them to be terminally unemployed and turn to crime) and then Spawny's argument about prison sentences not protecting the community won't be quite as much of an issue perhaps.
Goreripper
Metal as fuck
I agree, but killing another person is wrong, no matter what the reason. Revenge killing is something animals don't do, either.spawn said:
1. So why let them off easy?spawn said:
2. What kinda message does it send when your punishment for showing somebody that killing is wrong, is to kill them?
Alot of people's first experience with heroin is when they are drunk or high on another drug and their state of mind is unstable at the time. And also a lot of their first experiences are in a state of extreme depression when they don't care if they live or die at the time and aren't thinking about the consequences.
And then if they do get hooked because of it they deserve help to get off it when they realise what a mistake they made when they weren't in any kinda shape to make an informed decision. I don't care what Spawn says - people make mistakes and they are still people afterwards. They deserve help, not judgement.
Goreripper
Metal as fuck
Sydo, with all due respect, but anyone can fall victim to peer pressure if it's applied all the time. I seriously doubt that any person on this message board could honestly say they have been in the sort of environment that Motley Crue and any of the bands on the Sunset Strip in the 80s were in, so none of us can even imagine the kind of pressure they were under to do drugs. And it's not always easy for people to deal with fame no matter how much they long for it. A lot of people in the public eye fall victim to addictions because it's the only way they have to escape being in the public eye all the time. It's a release from the pressures they face every day. Before any one here can condemn someone who decides to take a substance, whether it be taking up smoking or guzzling down quaalades, you need to understand the reasons they get hooked it the first place. It's not always as easy as saying, "They're an idiot".
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