Transgender

[waif]

because they are my posts you are fucking with.... DUH!

Everyone else feels that the way I'm responding is logical, effective, and fair.

not the first idiotic rant you've had regarding my analysis of the problem

Nor the last, I fear...

living in denial ?

Confusion, actually. You might want to work on phrasing things in a way that other human beings can understand.

and this is because you cant suck it up and organize your own thoughts

Or because I prefer not to respond in a massive block of text.

Who said they cant?

You.

his feeling that only scientists can evaluate why... which they cant

Oh, Im very much enjoying this... but why are you focusing on me instead of your own thoughts ? Threatened ? Dont know what they are ? To much time spent quoting ?

Actually, the point of a debate is to consider what someone else says instead of just muttering to yourself.

Say what ? Can't you make any sense even with one sentence?

Funny that you're saying that...
Anyhow, my point is that you seem to feel that the issue should be ignored. So...ignore it.

I knew you were confused

Actually, rolled eyes means "you're a fucking moron"
As in:

Oh yeah, totally confused, evasive, threatened and cant apply yourself with any depth of thought... nice rant though...

yes you would have taken the point out of context if you split it. Special interests types are dieing for things to cry and dramatize about... but with your.... what... 1 year maybe of impressionable social awareness you just havent seen much have you ? but good job being a man and leaving my words intact, you may have just grown if only a wee bit

...and you complained about my insults.
Special interest groups are interested in protecting their interests. Gay rights groups want to advance the cause of gay people. The cause of gay people is social equality. This is not a bad thing. You seem to think they're hellbent on world domination.

How do you know this ?
We dont want gays passing on their genetics
No kidding, didnt I say that
Its a mutation from the norm, not natural, I have pointed out a few other mutations from the norm, guess what... didnt want to hear it
I have said that too... but... well... more DUH ?

1. Because I've never, ever heard of anyone saying that people should be gay.
2. They will breed weak and effeminate children unsuitable to the designs of the master race.
3. So is red hair.
4. No, you haven't. You have said that they should be forced to pretend to be straight while straight people are around.

Time to check the connection between your eye sockets and the part of your brain that is supposed to comprehend what you read... more DUH! So what is it you want, do you want me to keep these all connected or separate... or according to your mood at any given time ? Cant tell you have ranted at me for both

This thread focuses on transgender people, but you've insisted on lumping them together, even though that's not really something you can do if you have the slightest idea what you're talking about.

yes but they are poor poor pitiful creatures that need a support group and lobby, they are born this way so it must be natural, why are we repressing them ?......... that you would even respond to that

It does strain credulity that I haven't put you on ignore. It's mostly because I haven't found the button yet.
Nobody is born a murderer. It's a product of their upbringing. And people are responsible for their actions. It's a crime to kill people. Nobody wants to protect murders. It's not a crime to fellate another man, but it is frequently punished, so these people need protection. Stop being an idiot.

yep, dense and lacking focus, easily distracted

That was a good, constructive comment. Let's have some more of them.

would do mankind good to re-enter the world of checks and balances... but anyhow the laughs on you

because I just wasted my time reading your post.

and you too, lack the focus and experience to recognize what you are seeing here, serious failure but you have an excuse, I just figured you (two)would get it. Dont know what I was thinking

You don't get it. I was making fun of you because you seem to think that sex should remain a secret until high school, at which point children will be informed of the existence of the missionary position and told to abstain until marriage. It's just little kids playing. They don't know what they're doing. Calm down.

1. give yourself time with experience
2. give yourself time and experience

1. Grow up. Homosexuals are people too. They don't think about sex more than you or me.
2. Learn to recognize a joke. Sexuality is a fundamental element of human society. I thought this was so obvious I wouldn't need to explain it to you.

yes there is, you even said it, somethings wrong in their heads. Backpedaling now ?

No, I didn't. It might be partially genetic. It might be a mental disorder. It probably has myriad causes. We don't know.

More backpedaling ? More contradiction ? You said they should identify as they were born according to what was between their "birth sex" "gender"

I said I felt they should. That doesn't mean I have any right to force those view on others. If I was in charge I'd still let them wear whatever they want.
Also, transvestites wear women's clothing while not identifying as women. (Your friend in all likelihood beat the shit out of a transvestite, not a transgendered person).

already stated that multiple times

Okay. The point was, there's no where else. If you don't teach it in school, most people won't learn it. They will remain ignorant. Ignorance breeds fear. Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to the dark side. Which would be Laramie.

No one ? I feel repressed, Im gonna start my own special interest group and do some lobbyin'

Go for it. You can call it "Idiots who get shut down on the internet for spouting uninformed, illogical BS"

well, I dont know, we would first need to do a scientific study and run a few well placed surveys to be sure

In case you were wondering, that was a poor comeback to me compare you to a nutcase conspiracy theorist.

why do all the devations from the norm occur in nature and why dont these people have their own special interest group to cry them a river... damnit, its just not fair

Deviations from the norm...pretty much anything is a deviation from the norm. Red hair, webbed toes, being gay...all deviations from the norm. If people started lynching redheads, would it be weird for redheads to form a special interest group?

yes, but I got me some bootleg juice
but thats being inconsiderate of their sensitivities

This is not the only stupid thing you have said
1. yeah, how is it they did that ?
2. yeah, how is it they did that ?
3. are you sure it wasnt the FBI ? Only when they have a gun and some crack

Have you decided to just stop arguing and reduce this to moronic attempts at wisecracking?
I may not be a fair judge, but I think I'm funnier than you, and I also think I'm more rational. So I feel like it might be in your best interest to shut up about lobbies, aids, and keeping education out of schools and maybe focus on the morality of transgender.

Im begining to like this method and see why you do. Its so much easier for the mind and less time consuming than organizing my own thoughts. I stand advised and will do this everywhere I go from now on. Im sure it will be highly appreaciated by others Im trying to relate to............

 

[razoredge]

Topic is not completely on subject because you keep whining about how he is answering your posts, and I am having to explain to you why. If you don’t want him to quote you, don’t write anything. This isn’t sensationalism, you are exaggerating. Stop complaining.

topic is off subject because you two are focusing on me not presenting your own on subject case. I was looking for respect for my words and some productivity of thought, it has excaped you both, sad, but amusing. You "explaining" shows your easily distracted. Whos doing the constant complaining ?

Re-read your own posts.

dont have to, Im capable of understanding what other people write... are you ?

You’ve already made the unnatural reference several times as a counterpoint. Explain why, if this is so unnatural, is it a bad thing? Why are you opposed to giving them rights? You’ve just essentially said they are mutations with psychological imbalances, and the implication is that they should be treated that way, as opposed to people.

are you ?

In what way are they placing such importance on sex?

well... are you ?

You are using it in the wrong context, and the thread was initially derailed because of it. It was taken out of topic because you did not understand the context it was used in, in the first place.

what context ? you've said nothing here

Here you are implying that transgenders don’t live responsible lives, and are making spectacles out of themselves at school. That is subjective to how you are viewing it - narrowmindedly in your case.

covered all that

And I’ll use another example, how about teen pregnancy? Does this to some extent not represent irresponsibility of straight, natural and normal individuals. Are they not attracting attention in this manner?

yes it does, this is why we discourage this sort of thing, already covered this as well

Explain why Johnny wearing a skirt is a bad thing. How is a guy wearing a skirt different from a girl wearing a skirt, likewise why can women wear jeans just as men can?

already been covered... which brings the return of the question... can you ?

How are these “sexual disorders” any more difficult to teach than anything else. How about drug addictions, sexual diseases etc which can all be viewed as private matter as well, being brought to attention. This is high school, the kids aren't exactly 'innocent' at this point in their lives.

exactly, this is why I propose that guys wanting to look like girls and girls wanting to look like guys be advised of the failures and potential problems with their addictions

Homophobic people do exist. Are you that naive? People are prejudice against skin color, different languages, different cultures, sexual orientation, gender etc. These all exist.

phobia means fear, it is what I said it is. Much of what you are talking about is a natural human instinct to be territorial.

Once again, explain how the significance of this.

signifiance of what ? nice "counter point"..........

You made a poorly worded comment about “gay pressure “ groups and surgical alteration.

or were you simply not focused ?

You know this for a fact? Give factual evidence then to support this.

know what for a fact ? wheres your evidence supporting your... wait... you said nothing... never mind

lol. What is this? What does that have to do with anything? I’m sure many potential serial killers would love to join the army and that’s why you see so many of them in uniform right? Please stop making irrelevant and idiotic posts.

what can I say, your rubbing off on me

Oh right, because AIDS doesn’t apply to straight people.

why is that ?

No. It’s irrelevant. Otherwise explain.

please explain

But you just missed the point. They aren’t personal attacks, they are comments addressing weak remarks you’ve made that you have understood to be personal attacks.

I must confess, its just because Im so overwelmed by your strong representation of case

A child is curious? This is very common unless I have misunderstood the simple pic. With your in-depth knowledge and understanding of the photo, please explain the seriousness of the photo and how it is not a sign of natural development of a child.

Where did I imply it was "serious" ? you are getting closer to realizing whats going on there, it is as it should be, curiousity is not all you are seeing

 

[razoredge]

Everyone else feels that the way I'm responding is logical, effective, and fair.


Nor the last, I fear...


Confusion, actually. You might want to work on phrasing things in a way that other human beings can understand.


Or because I prefer not to respond in a massive block of text.



You.



Actually, the point of a debate is to consider what someone else says instead of just muttering to yourself.


Funny that you're saying that...
Anyhow, my point is that you seem to feel that the issue should be ignored. So...ignore it.

Actually, rolled eyes means "you're a fucking moron"
As in:



...and you complained about my insults.
Special interest groups are interested in protecting their interests. Gay rights groups want to advance the cause of gay people. The cause of gay people is social equality. This is not a bad thing. You seem to think they're hellbent on world domination.


1. Because I've never, ever heard of anyone saying that people should be gay.
2. They will breed weak and effeminate children unsuitable to the designs of the master race.
3. So is red hair.
4. No, you haven't. You have said that they should be forced to pretend to be straight while straight people are around.


This thread focuses on transgender people, but you've insisted on lumping them together, even though that's not really something you can do if you have the slightest idea what you're talking about.


It does strain credulity that I haven't put you on ignore. It's mostly because I haven't found the button yet.
Nobody is born a murderer. It's a product of their upbringing. And people are responsible for their actions. It's a crime to kill people. Nobody wants to protect murders. It's not a crime to fellate another man, but it is frequently punished, so these people need protection. Stop being an idiot.


That was a good, constructive comment. Let's have some more of them.


because I just wasted my time reading your post.


You don't get it. I was making fun of you because you seem to think that sex should remain a secret until high school, at which point children will be informed of the existence of the missionary position and told to abstain until marriage. It's just little kids playing. They don't know what they're doing. Calm down.


1. Grow up. Homosexuals are people too. They don't think about sex more than you or me.
2. Learn to recognize a joke. Sexuality is a fundamental element of human society. I thought this was so obvious I wouldn't need to explain it to you.


No, I didn't. It might be partially genetic. It might be a mental disorder. It probably has myriad causes. We don't know.


I said I felt they should. That doesn't mean I have any right to force those view on others. If I was in charge I'd still let them wear whatever they want.
Also, transvestites wear women's clothing while not identifying as women. (Your friend in all likelihood beat the shit out of a transvestite, not a transgendered person).

Okay. The point was, there's no where else. If you don't teach it in school, most people won't learn it. They will remain ignorant. Ignorance breeds fear. Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to the dark side. Which would be Laramie.


Go for it. You can call it "Idiots who get shut down on the internet for spouting uninformed, illogical BS"


In case you were wondering, that was a poor comeback to me compare you to a nutcase conspiracy theorist.


Deviations from the norm...pretty much anything is a deviation from the norm. Red hair, webbed toes, being gay...all deviations from the norm. If people started lynching redheads, would it be weird for redheads to form a special interest group?





Have you decided to just stop arguing and reduce this to moronic attempts at wisecracking?
I may not be a fair judge, but I think I'm funnier than you, and I also think I'm more rational. So I feel like it might be in your best interest to shut up about lobbies, aids, and keeping education out of schools and maybe focus on the morality of transgender.

well you made a few worthy statements here, but they were scattered, disconnected and with little overview. the rest is all blanket statements or nonsense. You are correct, you really are amusing

 

[Vossyrus]

I was looking for respect for my words and some productivity of thought, it has excaped you both, sad, but amusing. You "explaining" shows your easily distracted. Whos doing the constant complaining ?

You've on many occasions in this thread presented a very narrowminded approach to transgenders. What respect are your words derserving of here? :Smug:

dont have to, Im capable of understanding what other people write... are you ?

You're constantly making poor arguments with very shoddy explanations and reasoning. If you honestly believe you are presenting a rational and reasonable argument, then you are not only foolish but are doing a terrible job in the execution of your ideas.

are you ?

well... are you ?

I gave you a chance to re-address these issues directly and properly and you failed to comply.

what context ? you've said nothing here

You've misunderstood the point of the thread since the beginning.

covered all that

yes it does, this is why we discourage this sort of thing, already covered this as well

already been covered... which brings the return of the question... can you ?

You covered it yes but did nothing to actually justify your point of view. Hence why this is still part of the discussion.

exactly, this is why I propose that guys wanting to look like girls and girls wanting to look like guys be advised of the failures and potential problems with their addictions

Once again you've missed the point.

phobia means fear, it is what I said it is. Much of what you are talking about is a natural human instinct to be territorial.

Yes phobia. But please look up the definition of the word "homophobic." The word homophobic is generally not used to indicate the fear of, and 'fear' is hardly the central definition of the word. Actually, I'll look it up for you:

"unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality."

"Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
Behavior based on such a feeling."

"prejudiced against homosexual people "

signifiance of what ? nice "counter point"..........

Why your stance is partial to the whole "because it isn't natural" argument? What is that significance of that particular argument and more importantly how is it justified?

or were you simply not focused ?

How was it unfocused?

know what for a fact ? wheres your evidence supporting your... wait... you said nothing... never mind

Once again, you'll need some justifcation to make your point valid. You are only making yourself look bad with posts like that.

what can I say, your rubbing off on me

What are you talking about here?

why is that ?

It was sarcasm in case you missed it. Explain without flaw how AIDS is only partial to homosexuals and not heterosexuals. You've failed to do so, so far.

please explain

It is irrelevent because the topic of serial killers has nothing to do with transgenders here, and serial killers are murderers with their own actions affecting their own rights where as transgenders haven't done anything to give society reason to ignore their rights. Transgenders aren't going around killing people, and posing threat to society any more than the average person. Serial killers are. How is this relevant or even remotely related?

I must confess, its just because Im so overwelmed by your strong representation of case

:Smug:

Where did I imply it was "serious" ? you are getting closer to realizing whats going on there, it is as it should be, curiousity is not all you are seeing

You are failing to give light to what you are saying. How is the photo significant to this discussion, and in regards to what you are trying to say? Explain.

 

[The Poona of Peshwa]

Holy fucking shit thread.

 

[BlackMetalWhiteGuy]

This is possibly the stupid thing you've ever said. Let me enumerate the fundamental flaws in this argument:
1. This is the big one; gay people like to have sex with other gay people. So how are they spreading it to straight people?
2. Straight people can also give you AIDS.
3. AIDS originated in Africa. This proves that black people are a danger to others.

To further your point, heterosexual black women are the highest risk group for AIDS.

Actually, I guess that helps two points, since they're straight, and African

Oh right, because AIDS doesn’t apply to straight people.

Haven't you heard? God created AIDS to exterminate gay people and I know the Bible thumpers preaching in the quad on weekdays will back me up on this. If only His Omnipotence could have forseen the flaw in his grand design

This is not the only stupid thing you have said
1. yeah, how is it they did that ?
2. yeah, how is it they did that ?
3. are you sure it wasnt the FBI ? Only when they have a gun and some crack

All three points are fallacious arguments.

Nobody is born a murderer. It's a product of their upbringing. And people are responsible for their actions. It's a crime to kill people. Nobody wants to protect murders.

Actually, there is a rare cognitive disorder known as antisocial personality disorder in which those afflicted lack the cognitive ability to relate to others and have absolutely no concept of others' civil rights or freedoms. These people are highly likely to become murderers either because killing another person is the easiest way for them to cope with a specific situation, or because they're genuinely interested by it, similarly to how children are intrigued by frying ants with a magnifying glass. They don't feel sorry for their actions, because they can't relate to why their actions are wrong due to their inability to recognize another's right to life.

It's not a crime to fellate another man, but it is frequently punished, so these people need protection. Stop being an idiot.

In some places, it is a crime.

1. Grow up. Homosexuals are people too. They don't think about sex more than you or me.
2. Learn to recognize a joke. Sexuality is a fundamental element of human society. I thought this was so obvious I wouldn't need to explain it to you.

I don't recall any data on who thinks about sex more often, but the gay community is far more sexually active than the straight community. However, it's probably quite likely that the gay community practices safer sex either intentionally by using condoms, or unintentionally due to anatomical boundaries (fewer holes).

 

[Vossyrus]

lulz

I liked the part about the AIDS and religion.

 

[razoredge]

aids is a horrid thing but raised alot of exposure to certain lifestyles

so do you guys know how aids spred so rapidly during the 80's ?
do you guys know how it got into the heterol population ?
do you guys know which race has the highest percentage of active bisexual males
do you guys know which race is most sexually active ?
aggressive ?
I asked along time ago but with your preoccupation with childs play you never answered - what is your exposure, experience or awareness of the gay community ?

lastly back to your crying about how schools need to focus on this - On one hand you tell me everyone is ignorant, then you tell me its just me, then you tell me youth is not so innocent, then you act like you know all there is to know about such things.... yet your day of "Im not talking to anyone" was just last week........ so how is it everyone is so ignorant to this again ? and does this imply that you are a special advanced person in your school and only the rest are ignorant ? or did you really figure it all out in a week ?

 

[razoredge]

So when you looked at that picture of the little boy and little girl.... what did you see ? Just put what you saw in words with some depth to your thoughts... say as if you were some art freak giving their impression of what an artist is trying to portray. I fear you will continue to fail at this but I really have been giving you the benefit of the doubt

 

[razoredge]

Holy fucking shit thread.

yes it is pretty pathetic... but amusing to watch all the floundering in the mud

 

[Vossyrus]

In regards to ignorance, I believe you're firmly ahead of the pack, and I would say you are of the homophobic-minded people. Here are some of the arguments you have made that show some signs of ignorance, homophobia etc.

These are direct quotes from your posts.

animals do not have homosexual sex

On LGBT topics:

this has no place in schools

sometimes it appears to me they want special treatment, special attention

Gays are no more prone nor immune to hate crimes than anybody else

Now you will say, oh thats totally different transgenders dont cause people harm. While that is not entirely true it is also why we dont lock them up. But they will go through life giving many people the creeps

Giving people the creeps!

"Homophobia" doesnt exist, its a negitive spin the gay rights movement has placed on normal people as some kind of guilt trip due to their inadequacies. Show it for what it is. Its not a simple as a skin color

Homophobia doesn't exist? :Smug:

they both represent psychological inbalances that society is repressing. I thought equal rights and acceptance of mutations from the norm was the goal?

We dont want gays passing on their genetics

because I know for a fact than when special interest types get done with one thing they move on to the next, I can see it coming down the road.

You know for a fact?

On comparing serial killers to transgenders:

I wanna know where the sociopath serial killer rights lobby is, history has shown that this occurs naturally, so it cant be a mutation, why are we repressing them ? There is no equal rights in that. Perhaps we could use them to lay the sickly or tired to rest as we do our animals when they are suffering... that would be natural and provide an outlet for their ambitions. Perhaps train them for military purposes so our normal boys and girls can get on with their lives and families.

Transgenders can do what ever they like as mature adults once they are out of public schools. Serial killers must not kill while in school and must join the armed forces after. Fair is fair

On surgery:

Ive seen some of the freaks of nature that want operations or have had them, theres something wrong there no denying it, if they want them I could care less so long as its not publically paid for and they stay the fuck away from me.

"Johnny" the crossdresser, and cross-dressing in schools:

Say your a boy that decides to put makeup and a skirt on and show up in school and expect no reaction from people without this hangup ? No I think you have much more than that going on... or your just plane stupid.

Maybe people dont want "johnny" parading down the halls of school with his legs shaved and a dress. Then they have to question whats his point in doing this ? Is it not to get boys to look at him ?

if your a boy and ware a dress to school or put the moves on a straight boy.... guess what ? you might just get your ass handed to you..... so how about growing a brain and being practical about your personal problems and deal with what you were born with rather than making the rest of the world deal it.

Now this one kid in school is please and getting all the attention he wants and everybody else has to make the sacrifice. This is no more sociolly responsible than a kid that would punch johnny in the face for making him sick to his stomach

I am glad to hear animals resolve their gays issues behind closed doors, or as you say when no ones looking.... perhaps johnny should give this a try and avoid the potential black eye ?

Theres a big difference between passing on the street and being confined to a public eductional building all day with a boy running around dressed like a girl trying to be sexy. You have no choice, its there "in your face". I do not believe for a second this belongs in school

Say your a butch girl, wanna dress like a man, strap your chect in tight, cut your hair off.... next you wanna tell me its natural ? come on.... thats the equivalent of trying to tell me "cutters" are natural.

Need I say more?


Some personal experiences of yours:

I was out tonight at a bar to see a bunch of guys I know in a band. There were two girls putting on a big show, pawing all over each other. Now I suppose you want to tell me this is natural and there was no other reason for them doing that other than "they were horney" or "in love".... yea right ! Must be all the straight couples that were there that were not doing that are what.... "sexually repressed"

We have a gay couple that live down the road a few miles. They keep to themselves, no one bothers them.... but they do live a strange life. There is issues there. The are lazy. Dont mow the lawn, its all brush now after nearly 30 years, dont shovel their driveway and park in the road. The fem half possibly a transgender doesnt come out of the house and few occurances over the decades of siteings reveiled a very sickly person. I dont know whats going on there but its probably/hopefully not the norm.

 

[BlackMetalWhiteGuy]

aids is a horrid thing but raised alot of exposure to certain lifestyles

so do you guys know how aids spred so rapidly during the 80's ?

Yes, intercourse was quite common during that time and always. HIV was also spread quite rapidly through blood transfusions until they eventually realized that it was a blood born pathogen and developed a test for it in 1985. Ever since then, it's been primarily spread by heterosexual intercourse and intravenous drug use.

do you guys know how it got into the heterol population ?

After learning more about the origins of the virus, we now suspect that it has affected primarily heterosexuals for its entire existence. The human form of AIDS most likely originated from the strain that targets chimps (our closest living relative [also closely related to the sex crazed bonobos]) and was probably transmitted through contact with their blood in an area where apes are still considered a food source. Since chimps only live in parts of Africa, it's not hard to imagine how it would spread if you knew anything about sexuality in Africa. Since you probably don't though, they're extremely promiscuous and rape is still common practice as a military strategy. Also, due to the importance of fertility in several African cultures, many choose not to use condoms. Not surprisingly, last I checked roughly 40% of Africans had HIV and as many as 90% of some smaller African sub-populations have it.

It was first noticed in southern California's gay community, but this shouldn't be surprising since California is far more progressive than most subcultures and they have much higher gay representation.

do you guys know which race has the highest percentage of active bisexual males

As far as I know, homosexuality is equally common between races. I have no data about bisexuality, but I don't see why it would be any different.

do you guys know which race is most sexually active ?
aggressive ?

Yes, black people are the most sexually active by a huge margin on top of having the youngest average sexual debut. Also, almost 40% of black men have spent time in prison by age 36 and they make up half of the incarcerated population despite being only 12% of the general population.

I asked along time ago but with your preoccupation with childs play you never answered - what is your exposure, experience or awareness of the gay community ?

I'm finishing up a psychology degree and my focus is biopsych, which focuses on human behavior and development primarily from an evolutionary, neurological, and sexual perspective. My academic advisor (also my close personal friend) is also the faculty advisor for the Rainbow Alliance on my campus and was cited as the most active advisor in Rainbow's history on our campus. I also have gay friends, I know a couple of gay guys who want to put it in my ass, and I've studied sexual "deviance" in some of my classes.

 

[The Poona of Peshwa]

Since chimps only live in parts of Africa, it's not hard to imagine how it would spread if you knew anything about sexuality in Africa. Since you probably don't though, they're extremely promiscuous and rape is still common practice as a military strategy. Also, due to the importance of fertility in several African cultures, many choose not to use condoms. Not surprisingly, last I checked roughly 40% of Africans had HIV and as many as 90% of some smaller African sub-populations have it.

There's a vicious cycle as well of women losing their husbands to AIDS and then having to turn to prostitution, where they in turn spread the disease to their clients.

Also, is there a difference between sociobiology and biopsych comparable to the difference between sociology and psychology or are they interchangeable? I know it's a young field in any case.

 

[BlackMetalWhiteGuy]

Also, is there a difference between sociobiology and biopsych comparable to the difference between sociology and psychology or are they interchangeable? I know it's a young field in any case.

I'm not really familiar with sociobiology and we've never discussed it in any classes as far as I remember. However, it very well could be the same thing with a different name.

 

[razoredge]

......

Yes, intercourse was quite common during that time and always. HIV was also spread quite rapidly through blood transfusions until they eventually realized that it was a blood born pathogen and developed a test for it in 1985. Ever since then, it's been primarily spread by heterosexual intercourse and intravenous drug use.

Well, yes, and no. Yes it was all three.. transfusion, bisexual and homosexual as well as druggies. There was transfusions, which was a small percentage, thank goodness, but that blood came from somewhere. It got into the heterosexual community from bisexuals and of course intervenous drug use. The spred from intervenous drug use was somewhat confined within that culture but not entirely. However the bisexual and homosexual transmission of the disease was prominent and this is where it took its largest toll. Surveys back when it was a hotter topic and I paid attention were stateing that the larger issue in the black community was due to bisexual rate and of course they have always struggled with a more intense drug culture, comes with poverty stricken areas.

So I mean nothing by this only that those points have been presented and you brought it up and I saw others wanted to pass it off. But there are reasons it is more of a problem now for straight black women.

I've studied sexual "deviance" in some of my classes.

Im curious what they teach as being sexually deviant and what is considered typical perversion ? If you can give examples without being too bold or graphic for the site. That would be interesting knowing how the psych community views perverted notions.... then Ill know if Im a freak or not ?........

 

[razoredge]

In regards to ignorance, I believe you're firmly ahead of the pack, and I would say you are of the homophobic-minded people. Here are some of the arguments you have made that show some signs of ignorance, homophobia etc.

These are direct quotes from your posts.
On LGBT topics:
Giving people the creeps!
Homophobia doesn't exist? :Smug:
You know for a fact?
On comparing serial killers to transgenders:

On surgery:
"Johnny" the crossdresser, and cross-dressing in schools:
Need I say more?
Some personal experiences of yours:

This was an amazing effort on your behalf.....

But yes I do believe exactly as most of those posts are stated, they are pieces of much larger posts that had a deeper underlying conclusive message than you have presented anywhere. Then some of them were simply fun.... made much more fun when those took the bait

 

[waif]

Whos doing the constant complaining ?

You.

exactly, this is why I propose that guys wanting to look like girls and girls wanting to look like guys be advised of the failures and potential problems with their addictions

Addictions?

phobia means fear, it is what I said it is. Much of what you are talking about is a natural human instinct to be territorial.

This might be one of those impulses one ought to suppress. We don't live in caves anymore.

well you made a few worthy statements here, but they were scattered, disconnected and with little overview. the rest is all blanket statements or nonsense. You are correct, you really are amusing

Why, thank you.

Haven't you heard? God created AIDS to exterminate gay people and I know the Bible thumpers preaching in the quad on weekdays will back me up on this. If only His Omnipotence could have forseen the flaw in his grand design

Some nut comes to my school sometimes to rant against homosexuality. He was complaining about the inherent misogyny/misandry of homosexuality because it denies the value of the other gender as romantic partners or something ridiculous like that. A bunch of people stood around him and started ranting about how the earth was flat and spontaneous generation was real.

Actually, there is a rare cognitive disorder known as antisocial personality disorder in which those afflicted lack the cognitive ability to relate to others and have absolutely no concept of others' civil rights or freedoms. These people are highly likely to become murderers either because killing another person is the easiest way for them to cope with a specific situation, or because they're genuinely interested by it, similarly to how children are intrigued by frying ants with a magnifying glass. They don't feel sorry for their actions, because they can't relate to why their actions are wrong due to their inability to recognize another's right to life.

Yes, however, this is by no means present in all or even most of the murderers - these people form a small percentage.

In some places, it is a crime.

But not in America.
However, yeah, it is a crime in some places, which is one thing gay rights groups have a right to whine about. I've heard in Lebanon they stack tires around gay people, then set them on fire. And Jamaica is known for being one of the most homophobic places on earth. And for having tons of pot.

I don't recall any data on who thinks about sex more often, but the gay community is far more sexually active than the straight community. However, it's probably quite likely that the gay community practices safer sex either intentionally by using condoms, or unintentionally due to anatomical boundaries (fewer holes).

I believe you're correct about this. However, razoredge implied that all gay people were obsessed with sex. This is completely untrue. See: Lesbian Bed Death

aids is a horrid thing but raised alot of exposure to certain lifestyles

so do you guys know how aids spred so rapidly during the 80's ?
do you guys know how it got into the heterol population ?
do you guys know which race has the highest percentage of active bisexual males
do you guys know which race is most sexually active ?
aggressive ?
I asked along time ago but with your preoccupation with childs play you never answered - what is your exposure, experience or awareness of the gay community ?

First off, none of those questions are relevant to the discussion.
Secondly, personal experience isn't relevant, since it is totally warped by where you live (I live in Massachusetts, land of the gay liberals, you seem to live in redneck territory). If you want to prove something, use hard facts (statistics, scientific studies, etc) rather than anecdotes about your buddy picking up a transvestite (keen eye, by the way. Was she a 10?).

lastly back to your crying about how schools need to focus on this - On one hand you tell me everyone is ignorant, then you tell me its just me, then you tell me youth is not so innocent, then you act like you know all there is to know about such things.... yet your day of "Im not talking to anyone" was just last week........ so how is it everyone is so ignorant to this again ? and does this imply that you are a special advanced person in your school and only the rest are ignorant ? or did you really figure it all out in a week ?

1. People are not going to go to their libraries to learn about LGBT, but in today's society it is necessary that they do.
2. You are the only one who refuses to admit that animals get kinky.
3. Teenagers are not innocent. I hope you don't need to be told this. Little kids (8 and 9) are.
4. What are you talking about? First, I was aware of the existence of homosexuality before the Day of Silence, which was more than a week ago. Secondly, stop calling it the day of "i'm not talking to anyone," this is childish. You are missing the entire point of the event through willful ignorance. Third, I posted this to see what other people thought about a specific issue that many people are not educated on, however I though that people on the internet might be more intelligent and better informed than the average man on the street. I see that I was largely (i.e. everyone but you, who refuses to admit animals can be gay) correct.

So when you looked at that picture of the little boy and little girl.... what did you see ? Just put what you saw in words with some depth to your thoughts... say as if you were some art freak giving their impression of what an artist is trying to portray. I fear you will continue to fail at this but I really have been giving you the benefit of the doubt

I saw a little boy looking in a little girl's undies. This is what can happen when little kids play in their undies, which is what happens when it gets really hot. They are both extremely young, much too young to understand the significance of any of this or to remember it when they get older. I don't see why it's such a big deal. You just pull them aside and explain to them about private parts and that's all. It's part of life.

 

[speed]

God damn, what the hell has happened to this thread? People are gay, and no one cares; people are transgender and no one cares. People have always been both--who cares? Leave em alone and waste your time on doing something more fruitful like discussing something of some importance. The horse is nothing more than a rotten carcass here.

I;m more concerned about their perpetual dancing than anything. Why is it that gays must always dance and prance? And why do transgenders always use excessive makeup? Really, important questions.

 

[waif]

I think the original topic might have been interesting. This was meant to be more a discussion of gender identity, gender roles, and societal impact rather than homosexuality, but alas, it hasn't gone in that direction.

 

[speed]

I think the original topic might have been interesting. This was meant to be more a discussion of gender identity, gender roles, and societal impact rather than homosexuality, but alas, it hasn't gone in that direction.

Indeed, but as UM attracts lots of socially awkward types, who enjoy very male manly music, and who also may have conflicted but natural subconscious desires they can never give in to, any discussion on homosexuality or anything non-hetero, turns into a pathetic I'm not gay flurry of fun. A great unveiling of some posters, if you will.