TWO TOWERS, dudez!

[BillowOfZeal]

Am I the only one who was disapointed about how the movie made Faramir a ring wanting ass at first. I really liked him in the book because he never once attemted to get the ring, like his brother. I thought the movie was great but all the changes they made with frodo and sam's segments were kind of depressing. I wanted to see shelob, too.

 

[xfer]

I'm actually talking with someone on IM about that right now. In the book he's really cool, this brilliant detective noble dude. In the movie, he's a fascist, and why the heck does he change his mind and let Frodo go AFTER seeing him almost give the ring ot the Nazgul?? That would make me be like "OK this hobbit is going NOWHERE NEAR mordor!"

 

[FalseTodd]

I think it is overstating the case to say that Sam is the hero. Sam and Frodo equally heroic, sure. Frodo secondary? No.

 

[xfer]

Hm, I used to think that, but over the past few years I've been convinced otherwise. Sure, Frodo's a martyr, but that's the only heroic quality he has--suffering with the ring. It's Sam who shows heroic fortitude as Frodo falls apart. Sam's the one who drags Frodo to Mount Doom; Sam's the one whose goodness is obvious through the whole book. Frodo's most important act--preventing Sam from killing Gollum--is just Frodo following orders from Gandalf. In the end, a major theme of the Lord of the Rings is relying-on-your-friends/loyalty, and Sam is the exemplar of that.

 

[FalseTodd]

OK, I don't agree with you - but my faint anti-nerd impulse is keeping me from arguing about this at all. Sorry.

 

[xfer]

I need to develop one of those.

 

[chupe666]

Originally posted by deadair
well played...

frost is making the step from causal poster to posting heavy weight

FrostGiant dood, he totally just called you fat.

 

[FrostGiant]

Hey yeah, what the christ! I didn't even realize that. I guess that's what I get fer not be as thinky as everyone else.