United States placed in International Police State by President Obama

[JMarz]

Nothing soon'll happen coming from this, it's a pre-cursor to something much, much fucking larger..

 

[SentencedToBurn]

i know you conservatives think obama is going to destroy everything just like liberals thought george bush was the devil. lets get real.

 

[Line666]

This is what I love about America, even your left wing is right wing

 

[Kazrog]

I'm not defending Obama at all with this, just trying to provide a level counter-argument to what has been posted. All Obama has done is remove part of an amendment added by president Reagan in 1983. So, in other words, before 1983, the USA was in just as much of an "International Police State."

My guess is that this is designed to facilitate a global fluidity in apprehending international terrorists. I highly support fighting terrorism through targeted, specific police action, rather than wars. For example, the "Detroit Terrorist" shouldn't have been allowed to fly if the right connections were made inter-departmentally within the US (he had a huge paper trail.)

It's clear that law enforcement needs to be agile to adapt to situations like this, although obviously that is a power that has a HIGH potential for abuse (for example, detaining people based solely on political views, etc.) Also, there should be reasonable boundaries, for example the Patriot Act is completely evil and Obama still hasn't reversed it as he promised (one of my many criticisms of Obama.)

Sometimes, in extreme situations, there isn't time for due process (in the very short term, anyway.) There's a lot of overlap and redundancy in the US legal system, and ultimately INTERPOL should have priority over this in extreme situations, since it's a global collective.

 

[SocialNumb]

Welcome to the NWO.

I Know the conspiracy theories are on there way.

 

[jrt12]

this has nothing to do with Bush vs Obama, this is far bigger. anytime you give immunity to an international organization, whether its the UN or INTERPOL, you relinquish sovereignty and control. Yes Reagan signed this, but with the caveat that put controls in place to protect our civil liberties. Obama reversed that piece.

Essentially what this means:

- INTERPOL has absolute authority, over your local police, FBI, etc.
- they can investigate, charge, imprison and extradite without adhering to any of the laws our own agencies have to
- they enjoy full immunity
- your 4th Amendment only applies to US law agencies, not INTERPOL

so yes, while this might help catch international criminals who hide assets in the US, it is so broad it opens wide the door for foreign agencies to side step our civil liberties. This also goes WAY beyond the Patriot Act. And no outrage? Thats ridiculous.

BTW, this is one step away from INTERPOL or the ICC arresting US soldiers on US soil and trying them for "war crimes".

 

[Jind]

I'm sort of with Kazrog on this one - the way I read these changes (while yes, it does have the possibility to infringe upon some liberties - but then again the Patriot Act already did that as Kazrog noted), it ultimately intended to provide safety to all of us. The general outline of this has been around since Reagan if not earlier, Clinton made a change to it, Bush enacted the Patriot Act (which quite frankly probably made this moot before the change), now Obama has made changes to it too - seems like business as usual.

 

[SocialNumb]

I'm waiting on James. Always interesting.

I also kinda (hem?) agree with Kazrog.

 

[paladin shredder]

i guess i better start learning french.

edit:/scarcasm

 

[John_C]

It's not like they're gonna arrest you in your home. Interpol is essentially an international police co-ordination and information sharing organisation.

 

[JeffTD]

If you're not doing anything wrong you've not got a thing to worry about. Seriously, you people are paranoid as fuck. Stop smoking so much weed.

 

[006]

If you're not doing anything wrong you've not got a thing to worry about. Seriously, you people are paranoid as fuck. Stop smoking so much weed.

Jeff I was saying the same thing and you know damn well I smoke a lot of weed

These dorks are freaking out over absolutely nothing. EEVRYONE LOOK OUT, INTERPOL IS GOING TO TAKE OVER tHE US AND WE CAn'T STOP THEMZ!?!!@112!@

Gimme a fucking break man, shit is fucking stupid.

 

[Executioner213]

What I read out of it, which wasn't much, was that it means that INTERPOL can now come into the US and arrest people and extradite (sp?) them back to whatever country they committed thier crime in or whatever. No more hiding in the US to get out of being tried for their actions....not that it makes any difference, the FBI is *supposed* to be helping INTERPOL with this shit all the time but we know how that goes...

 

[SocialNumb]

I pull my legion to the flag and the masturbation of America.

 

[ahjteam]

I don't see what the big deal here is, as Interpol works mainly with organized crime, crimes against humanity, genocide, war crimes, piracy, illicit drug production, drug trafficking, weapons smuggling, human trafficking, money laundering, child pornography, white-collar crime, computer crime, intellectual property crime and corruption.


if you have something to do with those, I wouldn't want to be friend with you guys.

 

[C_F_H_13]

I already voiced my opinion on this subject, however this is more worrying to me then this whole thing...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/12/29/us.yemen.strike.targets/index.html

Is this the answer. Attack "Targets" in whatever country terrorists come from?

 

[ParsonsMatt]

I'm sort of with Kazrog on this one - the way I read these changes (while yes, it does have the possibility to infringe upon some liberties - but then again the Patriot Act already did that as Kazrog noted), it ultimately intended to provide safety to all of us. The general outline of this has been around since Reagan if not earlier, Clinton made a change to it, Bush enacted the Patriot Act (which quite frankly probably made this moot before the change), now Obama has made changes to it too - seems like business as usual.

Cliche as it may be, I am compelled to remember that "he who trades liberty for security deserves neither."

 

[P-E]

This is what I love about America, even your left wing is right wing

True that.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008

Anyone left-wing would be considered communist.

 

[iekobrid]

Jesus fucking Christ... read the actual material in question. READ it. US citizens have lost no more rights to Interpol than we have to, say, a charity organization or a junior Ghanian consultate officer carrying a briefcase through an airport, which, yeah I know, is worth losing serious sleep over. For fuck's sake...


Obama 2009:

'...it is hereby ordered that Executive Order 12425 of June 16, 1983, as amended, is further amended by deleting from the first sentence the words "except those provided by Section 2(c), Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that [the International Organizations Immunities Act (22 U.S.C. 288)]"... '


which thus modifies EO #12425 to read:

' By virtue of the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and statutes of the United States, including Section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669, 22 U.S.C. 288), it is hereby ordered that the International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL), in which the United States participates pursuant to 22 U.S.C. 263a, is hereby designated as a public international organization entitled to enjoy the privileges, exemptions and immunities conferred by the International Organizations Immunities Act. '


And here are the sections of the IOIA that Obama's action has now applied to Interpol:


Section 2(c)

' Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable.' (You know, like a embassy or consulate.)


Section 3

No import duties on their luggage.

Section 4

No income tax.

Section 5

No social security tax.

Section 6

No property tax.

 

[drew_drummer]

Take this shit to 4chan.