USA healthcare overhaul

[El_Gato]

I laugh at what some people (50% of americans) think about the upcoming Health system there. They think is a some kind of communist threaten that will change the american way of living. Nothing further from reality. In fact you can't even compare to the European model. In Spain, Hospitals are build from public money, doctors are paid with public money and even medicines are way cheaper as the State will pay a variable but huge % of the total cost if you have a medical prescription. I heard socialism too, well NO, socialized is not socialism.

If you don't want the state to take part in your decissions then you're an anarchist, not a true american. If you don't want the state you elected to take decissions for you, what are taxes for?

If Health is an exclusive problem of those who are ill (As shamely many pointed out here) then, roads should be paid only by those who drive a car. But no, the taxes are existing for this.

As I said before, this project can't compare to Public Health system but it could (should IMO) be a first step for it. It's nothing compared to the cost of building a complete National Public Health Service. But hey, you gotta start someday from somewhere. I really think it's about distribution of taxes and the % the richer people could pay. So YES!! War has a lot to do with it as USA is the country that more money invest on it by far:

And in % of the Gross Domestic Product we can see that they are spending on "defense" opposed to Development Aid:

Clearly a problem of distribution not of lack of money and thats not "IMO"

 

[John_C]

I laugh at what some people (50% of americans) think about the upcoming Health system there. They think is a some kind of communist threaten that will change the american way of living. Nothing further from reality. In fact you can't even compare to the European model. In Spain, Hospitals are build from public money, doctors are paid with public money and even medicines are way cheaper as the State will pay a variable but huge % of the total cost if you have a medical prescription. I heard socialism too, well NO, socialized is not socialism.

If you don't want the state to take part in your decissions then you're an anarchist, not a true american. If you don't want the state you elected to take decissions for you, what are taxes for?

If Health is an exclusive problem of those who are ill (As shamely many pointed out here) then, roads should be paid only by those who drive a car. But no, the taxes are existing for this.

As I said before, this project can't compare to Public Health system but it could (should IMO) be a first step for it. It's nothing compared to the cost of building a complete National Public Health Service. But hey, you gotta start someday from somewhere. I really think it's about distribution of taxes and the % the richer people could pay. So YES!! War has a lot to do with it as USA is the country that more money invest on it by far:

And in % of the Gross Domestic Product we can see that they are spending on "defense" opposed to Development Aid:

Clearly a problem of distribution not of lack of money and thats not "IMO"

essentially my opinion. Socialism isn't scary, we all do it over here!

 

[colonel kurtz]

essentially my opinion. Socialism isn't scary, we all do it over here!

that's why americans are so afraid of it

 

[J.DavisNJ]

Why do you seem to have a problem with the transparency of our "current administration" when the last one was so secretive in it's dealings with the American People. I just don't understand why we are suspect of a mans motives for wanting better healthcare for all Americans but gave a blank check to a man who championed a war we never should have been in. And i agree you should be proud of your country but we are humans before we are Americans, and we are Americans before we are Democrat or Republican.

Well, I was never comparing Obama to Bush, so I won't go into that.

I have a problem with the way this bill was presented and the simple ease at which he pretty much guaranteed what would happen under this plan. It was hardly transparent, and does he really expect normal citizens to read every page of it, when senators won't even touch the damn thing?

I just think it's funny how he stresses transparency (example: transparency of credit card companies to not be so "sneaky" about interest rates and the like), yet introduces this behemoth (\m/ lol) of a bill that is presented to us in the most idealistic way.

I'm not arguing that we aren't human, or that some people DON'T deserve healthcare. I think we all should be able to attain it, I just want this bill to be passed responsibly...that's it.

-Joe

 

[slashvanyoung]

Here's a good story about US Healthcare.

We had a friend (female) visiting from Belgium. One night her and some friends of mine were driving home through the neighborhood and had to stop due to a fight in the middle of the street. 5 guys stomping some guys head in the street, ghetto style. Not being from here, she jumped out of the car real fast and screamed, essentially trying to help the guy getting pummeled. The 5 thug guys ran off, got in their car and took off. As they we're driving past this group of people, including her, they swerved over and purposefully ran her over. Her leg was broken.


The ambulance showed up and took her to the hospital emergency room. As she was not a US Citizen (although had the best health care shit from Belgium) she was turned away from the hospital WITH her leg broken. So everyone took her to the county hospital, where she was turned away again. They actually made her leave with her leg still broken.

So after days (three) of sitting around with a broken leg, with hours and hours of phone calls trying to help her, what finally happened.

The Belgium government flew a nurse to the US who then escorted her home with a broken leg. After being treated in Belgium, there was major problems for her due to the lateness of the treatment and her leg having to be re-broken and all that.


Welcome to America!

Absolutely mind blowing insane.

 

[scorpio01169]

Well, I was never comparing Obama to Bush, so I won't go into that.

I have a problem with the way this bill was presented and the simple ease at which he pretty much guaranteed what would happen under this plan. It was hardly transparent, and does he really expect normal citizens to read every page of it, when senators won't even touch the damn thing?

I just think it's funny how he stresses transparency (example: transparency of credit card companies to not be so "sneaky" about interest rates and the like), yet introduces this behemoth (m/ lol) of a bill that is presented to us in the most idealistic way.

I'm not arguing that we aren't human, or that some people DON'T deserve healthcare. I think we all should be able to attain it, I just want this bill to be passed responsibly...that's it.

-Joe

actually if I am not mistaken the bill is available for anyone to read. but i might add it is not a final bill yet. as for not comparing Obama to Bush..that wasn't directed at just you...but when I hear all the hoopla about THIS ADMINISTRATION spending all this money we don't have, when it has been like that for years and years...why NOW do we have a problem with it?