whoever you are, you haven't been here long enough to attack Glenn like that... check yourself if you really want to be a part of this forum iHate... and yeah... Glenn's words seem Liberal to me if anything, and nothing close to Conservative... anyway, he's Canadian.
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and anyway iHate, people get turned away from Hospitals every single day in this country... now, you won't get turned away from an Emergency Room if you actually have an emergency, and perhaps that's what you mean... but you can and will be denied admission for non-emergency, but needed, treatment if the Financial Office doesn't like the smell of your insurance card.... or lack thereof.
So to check facts and call people out on their information, one must be part of this site for a long time? Do I need to be somebody to have an opposing viewpoint and not be told that I am being rude or that I am stupid?
It wasn't an attack at all. I hope he doesn't take it that way.
The last bit wasn't really directed at him, it was about the 27% thing a few pages back.
This board is a good place, but clearly to question what is being talked about is a no no. Sorry. I'll just go away.
It wasn't an attack at all. I hope he doesn't take it that way.
The last bit wasn't really directed at him, it was about the 27% thing a few pages back.
This board is a good place, but clearly to question what is being talked about is a no no. Sorry. I'll just go away.
Look I agree that healthcare needs to be fixed in America.
I just don't agree with how the house and the senate have been going about it. And I don't agree with how they want to actually implement it and how they want to change it.
I know this is a passionate topic for a lot of people, and it gets heated. I don't mean to attack anyone, we all just get fed up when we are on opposing sides and can't get through to each other. (Not that I agree with republicans, I don't, something needs to be done, but not just anything)
I just don't agree with how the house and the senate have been going about it. And I don't agree with how they want to actually implement it and how they want to change it.
I know this is a passionate topic for a lot of people, and it gets heated. I don't mean to attack anyone, we all just get fed up when we are on opposing sides and can't get through to each other. (Not that I agree with republicans, I don't, something needs to be done, but not just anything)
no, just tone it down a tad and be more clear as to what you are addressing. that's all i'd ask... because to take the tone you took makes you just come off as a troll when you've been here only a short time.... and we've had far too many of those of late. everyone is welcome, and i'm not even the Mod on this forum... but some of us have known and interacted with each other on here for several years.... and we don't need any more new guys that think this place is just like the HC forums... not saying you do that in general... just that post where you seemed to be attacking Glenn.
i do find it odd though that you complained about conservative fear mongering.... i agree and complain about it as well. but you seemed to take a very conservative stance in the core of what you said before you ended with that bit. confusing.
anyway, i'm following you better now, even if i don't strictly agree.
i do find it odd though that you complained about conservative fear mongering.... i agree and complain about it as well. but you seemed to take a very conservative stance in the core of what you said before you ended with that bit. confusing.
anyway, i'm following you better now, even if i don't strictly agree.
It just seems like, when anyone opposes what is happening with this administration, we are considered conservative fear-mongers. I'm just a concerned citizen, and I want what is best for everyone, not what is quickest or easiest.
Glenn Fricker
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No offense taken, I have a thick skin 
To repeat what I've said a few weeks ago, I find it absolutely amazing that people down in the states get so riled about a health care overhaul. Why is it, in a country that doesn't even blink at dropping $1 Billion on a B2-Spirit Stealth Bomber, (That's one billion EACH, for the record) that people go ape shit about health care 'freeloaders."
Pardon me, but consider the fact that the B2 was designed to penetrate Soviet territory, and there is no more Soviet Union. That's hardware with no role. Who's really freeloading here?
How about the F22 Raptor. The state-of-the-art fighter with 'stealth capabilities' that cost roughly $138 million dollars apiece, but doesn't work in the rain.
I think you guys need a defense industry overhaul.
To repeat what I've said a few weeks ago, I find it absolutely amazing that people down in the states get so riled about a health care overhaul. Why is it, in a country that doesn't even blink at dropping $1 Billion on a B2-Spirit Stealth Bomber, (That's one billion EACH, for the record) that people go ape shit about health care 'freeloaders."
Pardon me, but consider the fact that the B2 was designed to penetrate Soviet territory, and there is no more Soviet Union. That's hardware with no role. Who's really freeloading here?
How about the F22 Raptor. The state-of-the-art fighter with 'stealth capabilities' that cost roughly $138 million dollars apiece, but doesn't work in the rain.
I think you guys need a defense industry overhaul.
correction, sir...we need a federal government overhaul
the USA currently has the single oldest government of any nation in this world
some see that as a source of pride, a sign that our system is the best ever conceived, and has been able to withstand all sorts of bullshit over the last 200-some odd years
i, however, look at it more like that old guy from down the street who still types on an old-fashioned typewriter, because he doesn't want to be bothered with one of those newfangled computer thingies.
the USA currently has the single oldest government of any nation in this world
some see that as a source of pride, a sign that our system is the best ever conceived, and has been able to withstand all sorts of bullshit over the last 200-some odd years
i, however, look at it more like that old guy from down the street who still types on an old-fashioned typewriter, because he doesn't want to be bothered with one of those newfangled computer thingies.
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I was. I had an anaphylactic reaction, so we went to the nearest hospital and got turned down because our insurance didn't cover it or some shit like that. I was about 8 at the time and we had just moved to the US so I don't think my parents understood the system too well. Luckily my throat hadn't swollen enough so I couldn't breath by the time we got to "our" hospital, but if it had I would have been fucked.
In the UK I could walk into any hospital anywhere and be treated for free on the spot without faffing about with insurance details. The NHS rules.
Joe
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so it's really like: ou have car accident, get in hospital, ur not dying but when ur fixed enough to be thrown out your ass lands on the street? even if you needed further treatment?
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Well, not really. My mum could have busted out her credit card, and payed a very hefty sum of money to get me treated there and then, but the insurance company wouldn't repay us for it, and it would have cost a fortune, probably more than we could sensibly afford at the time, and we weren't poor in the slightest to be honest.
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I am new to this form (as per my post count), and usually try to stay away from political/goverment debates. I however feel that I can weigh in on this issue; I am a nurse (who is back in school again to get my full RN degree), with a heavy background in business (also have a BS in Business Management and worked in management for years), and also happen to live in a city flooded with illegal immigrants, I feel that I can offer a good opinion to this debate. For good measure, my wife is a pharmacist licensed in three states, and my sister is a Doctor (OBGYN) who has worked in hospitals here in the US and worldwide.
There are some fantastic arguments to this debate on both sides of the aisle here. I will first and foremost state I am a self-described right-winger. Yes, there needs to be overhaul of healthcare. Yes, we also need a government overhaul, on many fronts. However, living & working in the field in this city, I personally see the widespread abuse of healthcare in this system. For you people who don't understand the abuse, do your own research about people who doctor shop. To those who state that you can't get into a hospital here, you should see the flood of people who abuse the emergency rooms for garbage problems; which is an incredible part of the problem. Over HALF of the hospitals in this city are in the RED, because they CANNOT turn people away from the ER. These hospitals have to rely on outside funding to keep operating -- yet costs are so high at these hospitals? I wonder why?
As for insurance companies and the public option. I do not believe in the public option. Yes, as people stated, insurance companies are for-profit, and yes, the bottom line is to make money. Does this mean I trust my goverment to handle this issue? No way! Look at the track record of ANY goverment agency! Obama himself even stated, FedEd & UPS are fine, its the Post Office that is all messed up! If you don't like this example, look up Amtrak. There are plenty of examples. If these were private corporations, they would most certainly be ran cleaner and more efficently. I do believe that the insurance company industry needs some restrictions, and at the minimum the ban on selling insurance across statelines should be lifted. I feel that capitalism and the free market would prevail in this arena. Larger and healthy competition works and is what is needed to lower costs across the board. The biggest scam I see from this is: Do you REALLY think that this bill is going to DECREASE the deficit? I find this extremely hard to believe given the governments previous track record.
Do I have the answers? No way. Do I think this bill is going to work? Don't know. Do I think insurace is going to be affordable? I don't think it will, but we will have to see. Is Obama really living up to his promise that he isn't increasing taxes on middle Americans?
The real kicker for me:
Have you really followed what has been recently stated in the Senate? Read what Harry Reid (D) has stated about how this bill is so important to the very people it should protect: http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=321051
Then, ask yourself, why does this bill not start until 2013? Two plus years is a LONG, LONG time for many people who advanced diseases/cancers, etc. If they truly cannot get help until then...many people they are trying to save will pass by this time.
All in my humble opinion of course..
Trent
There are some fantastic arguments to this debate on both sides of the aisle here. I will first and foremost state I am a self-described right-winger. Yes, there needs to be overhaul of healthcare. Yes, we also need a government overhaul, on many fronts. However, living & working in the field in this city, I personally see the widespread abuse of healthcare in this system. For you people who don't understand the abuse, do your own research about people who doctor shop. To those who state that you can't get into a hospital here, you should see the flood of people who abuse the emergency rooms for garbage problems; which is an incredible part of the problem. Over HALF of the hospitals in this city are in the RED, because they CANNOT turn people away from the ER. These hospitals have to rely on outside funding to keep operating -- yet costs are so high at these hospitals? I wonder why?
As for insurance companies and the public option. I do not believe in the public option. Yes, as people stated, insurance companies are for-profit, and yes, the bottom line is to make money. Does this mean I trust my goverment to handle this issue? No way! Look at the track record of ANY goverment agency! Obama himself even stated, FedEd & UPS are fine, its the Post Office that is all messed up! If you don't like this example, look up Amtrak. There are plenty of examples. If these were private corporations, they would most certainly be ran cleaner and more efficently. I do believe that the insurance company industry needs some restrictions, and at the minimum the ban on selling insurance across statelines should be lifted. I feel that capitalism and the free market would prevail in this arena. Larger and healthy competition works and is what is needed to lower costs across the board. The biggest scam I see from this is: Do you REALLY think that this bill is going to DECREASE the deficit? I find this extremely hard to believe given the governments previous track record.
Do I have the answers? No way. Do I think this bill is going to work? Don't know. Do I think insurace is going to be affordable? I don't think it will, but we will have to see. Is Obama really living up to his promise that he isn't increasing taxes on middle Americans?
The real kicker for me:
Have you really followed what has been recently stated in the Senate? Read what Harry Reid (D) has stated about how this bill is so important to the very people it should protect: http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=321051
Then, ask yourself, why does this bill not start until 2013? Two plus years is a LONG, LONG time for many people who advanced diseases/cancers, etc. If they truly cannot get help until then...many people they are trying to save will pass by this time.
All in my humble opinion of course..
Trent
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that's what i meant, if you can't afford it yourself ur quite screwed.
and do you have to pay the first aid afterwards?
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Thank God this shit went through, this country needs to change. Last time I had to go to the hospital it was Fucking 2000 dollars for an ER trip, for a laceration that was patched up in 10 minutes. Doctors are fucking criminals , people shouldn't have to choose between their life savings and their life , lol.
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Here's a good story about US Healthcare.
We had a friend (female) visiting from Belgium. One night her and some friends of mine were driving home through the neighborhood and had to stop due to a fight in the middle of the street. 5 guys stomping some guys head in the street, ghetto style. Not being from here, she jumped out of the car real fast and screamed, essentially trying to help the guy getting pummeled. The 5 thug guys ran off, got in their car and took off. As they we're driving past this group of people, including her, they swerved over and purposefully ran her over. Her leg was broken.
The ambulance showed up and took her to the hospital emergency room. As she was not a US Citizen (although had the best health care shit from Belgium) she was turned away from the hospital WITH her leg broken. So everyone took her to the county hospital, where she was turned away again. They actually made her leave with her leg still broken.
So after days (three) of sitting around with a broken leg, with hours and hours of phone calls trying to help her, what finally happened.
The Belgium government flew a nurse to the US who then escorted her home with a broken leg. After being treated in Belgium, there was major problems for her due to the lateness of the treatment and her leg having to be re-broken and all that.
Welcome to America!
We had a friend (female) visiting from Belgium. One night her and some friends of mine were driving home through the neighborhood and had to stop due to a fight in the middle of the street. 5 guys stomping some guys head in the street, ghetto style. Not being from here, she jumped out of the car real fast and screamed, essentially trying to help the guy getting pummeled. The 5 thug guys ran off, got in their car and took off. As they we're driving past this group of people, including her, they swerved over and purposefully ran her over. Her leg was broken.
The ambulance showed up and took her to the hospital emergency room. As she was not a US Citizen (although had the best health care shit from Belgium) she was turned away from the hospital WITH her leg broken. So everyone took her to the county hospital, where she was turned away again. They actually made her leave with her leg still broken.
So after days (three) of sitting around with a broken leg, with hours and hours of phone calls trying to help her, what finally happened.
The Belgium government flew a nurse to the US who then escorted her home with a broken leg. After being treated in Belgium, there was major problems for her due to the lateness of the treatment and her leg having to be re-broken and all that.
Welcome to America!
Wow, that's fucking horrible dude, jesus - did you go to the emergency room? I thought they couldn't turn anyone away
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I think people who aren't provided with these things from their employer do deserve healthcare, but I wish our current administration were a bit more transparent about it. We kept hearing over the past nine months that "healthcare reform is coming, every American is covered, and you will keep your private plan if you already have one...," but we were never told HOW this would actually happen. I have a real hard time believing that my plan will not change at all whatsoever when this bill is passed.
I think Obama and his cronies make their decisions based on how much international and local pressure are on their shoulders, but they don't dig deep to look at the potential consequences first.
Then again, I'm probably one of three conservatives on here.
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Why do you seem to have a problem with the transparency of our "current administration" when the last one was so secretive in it's dealings with the American People. I just don't understand why we are suspect of a mans motives for wanting better healthcare for all Americans but gave a blank check to a man who championed a war we never should have been in. And i agree you should be proud of your country but we are humans before we are Americans, and we are Americans before we are Democrat or Republican.
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