Varg Vikernes: "I Am Ready For Society".

[Cynical]

and the quality of any given album is undeniably subjective.

Obvious bullshit argument, unless you're willing to admit that "Ooops I Did It Again" is just as worthwhile of a work of art as "Eroica".

i disagree. in my opinion, there are TONS of albums that have done better

Yeah, but your taste is shit (as evidenced by the fact that you like Negura Bunget), so no one really cares about your opinion.

 

[genocide roach]

how mature...

people must care about my opinion, since they keep reading my reviews...
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/reviews/433319-todesbonden-sleep-now-quiet-forest.html
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/reviews/421748-krisiun-southern-storm.html
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/reviews/433192-miseration-your-demons-their-angels.html
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/reviews/412616-vale-pnath-s-t.html
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/...tute-disfigurement-descendants-depravity.html
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/reviews/415899-rotted-get-dead-die-trying.html
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/reviews/414602-firewind-premonition.html
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/...l-omega-fas-ite-maledicti-ignem-aeternum.html
~gR~

 

[Cynical]

Thanks for posting those links to evidence to everybody that you've got shitty taste.

 

[no country for old wainds]

He's been in prison for quite a long time so I can't imagine he's really progressed as a musician.

based on his writings he's changed a lot as a person and this to me implies he will have changed as an artist as well. whether that's a good thing remains to be seen but i think it nullifies this particular argument of yours.

i also think some people have a skewed idea of what constitutes revolutionising a genre. i agree with that bitter nutcase cynical in that i think burzum breaks through far more overarching boundaries than anything else in the genre ever has, and he anticipates so much of what came after in so many ways. HLTO in particular holds so much within it. that's why part of me wants to say that what you're saying is a BM version of 'if shakespeare came back today it's not like he'd put out anything relevant'.

 

[genocide roach]

Thanks for posting those links to evidence to everybody that you've got shitty taste.

i was just trying to get you to read em.

thanks for posting evidence that youre a total douche
~gR~

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

he's an anusfag what do you want

 

[waif]

This. Just let the fucking guy out so he can live his life, only rabid Mayhem fanboys and liberal wankers want him kept behind bars anymore.

Um.
And also people who have respect for the concept of law and order, but they're just a lunatic fringe group.

I'm pretty sure that Varg had an explanation for doing it, and that even though he went way too far, it was originally going to be an act of self-defense. Do you actually know anything about Varg Vikernes?

Um.
His explanation was kind of bizarre. It seems unlikely that he traveled to his buddy's house with a knife and then his buddy suddenly attacked him.
I mean, obviously we don't know what actually happened, but I wouldn't take him at his word.

Of course, the US is flawless and we should use your penal system as an example.
...No it isn't, no we shouldn't.

No, obviously it isn't. But I don't really have a problem with capital punishment when applied to someone who is obviously guilty and also obviously a raging psychopath. Regardless, life imprisonment is the minimum acceptable sentence for such a crime.

Why should he not be above the law? He's done more good for the world than some random innocent guy ever has. This is why I need to be the unquestionable overlord of the universe.

Yeah, I know. He's done tons of great things that have changed life as we know it. I mean, he released a couple albums of what most people in the world would consider ugly noise in an attempt to promote an absurd and racist philosophy, then brutally murdered his friend. He's like a saint or something.

Seriously. Besides which, NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. Okay? This is a fundamental fucking principle of law - it applies to EVERY.FUCKING.ONE. Even if he spent several years doing something actually good (like, I dunno, pulling people out of burning buildings or trying to find a cure for AIDS), if he murders someone it's still murder and his "good works" do not mitigate that. This is a fucking warped mindset that I'm sure you don't actually believe when applied to most people, but when it comes to your favorite murderer, suddenly the law is worthless.

 

[Cynical]

Seriously. Besides which, NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. Okay? This is a fundamental fucking principle of law - it applies to EVERY.FUCKING.ONE.

Actually, the earliest codes of law were written such that they DID apply differently to different people. Learn history before you spout out retarded bullshit.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

WAIF you're being kinda gay about this tbh. He wasn't a "raging psychopath" and you're not a psychiatrist to diagnose him as such.

 

[waif]

Actually, the earliest codes of law were written such that they DID apply differently to different people. Learn history before you spout out retarded bullshit.

By "earliest" you mean Hamurabi etc? I'm aware.
Technically the code did apply to everyone, just had different rules for different people.
But if you reread my post you'll realize you've just been obstinantly misinterpreting it in order to disagree, as I was referring to modern law. My knowledge is limited to American law, obviously, but Noweigian law doesn't really differ on the basics - stabbing people is still uncool, no matter who you are.

WAIF you're being kinda gay about this tbh. He wasn't a "raging psychopath" and you're not a psychiatrist to diagnose him as such.

Okay. Those words were a little strong. But I think anyone who kills their friend/bandmate/business partner without remorse is distinctly unstable.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

Meh. He needs proper psychoanalytic treatment before we jump to conclusions.

 

[Cynical]

By "earliest" you mean Hamurabi etc? I'm aware.
Technically the code did apply to everyone, just had different rules for different people.
But if you reread my post you'll realize you've just been obstinantly misinterpreting it in order to disagree, as I was referring to modern law. My knowledge is limited to American law, obviously, but Noweigian law doesn't really differ on the basics - stabbing people is still uncool, no matter who you are.

Then you should be in favor of Varg's release, as at the time he was arrested and convicted, Norwegian law stated that a criminal, no matter what crime, could only be imprisoned for x number of years (I forget the exact number, but it's less than Varg has been in for) before being granted parole was automatic.

That is, unless you're arguing that laws should apply retroactively, which is obvious stupidity.

 

[waif]

Meh. He needs proper psychoanalytic treatment before we jump to conclusions.

Okay.
He's a raging asshole, then. Happy?

Then you should be in favor of Varg's release, as at the time he was arrested and convicted, Norwegian law stated that a criminal, no matter what crime, could only be imprisoned for x number of years (I forget the exact number, but it's less than Varg has been in for) before being granted parole was automatic.

That is, unless you're arguing that laws should apply retroactively, which is obvious stupidity.

No.
But the Norweigians are fucking pussies about this shit. Used to be that Norweigian law consisted of you getting decapitated with a battle axe.

Really. The Norweigian justice system is excessively lenient. Like, way too lenient. Now then: I don't think the law should apply retroactively. But he should not be granted parole. If they're obliged to let him out, they should let him out. But he absolutely should not be granted parole.

 

[Cynical]

The Norwegian justice system is too lenient... yet its recidivism rate is close to zero, while the U.S., which has the harshest first-world justice system, also has the highest recidivism rate?

Do you realize the absurdity of what you're saying?

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

I find that weird, especially because Norwegian prisons are practically carnivals.

 

[Cynical]

Having taken a few upper-division sociology courses in college (including one solely on the topic of social deviance), it's pretty logical to me.

Read about disintigrative and reintigrative shaming, and social bond theroy, and it'll all make sense (I believe that these were Hirshi's theories, but I'm not certain; I'm terrible with names).

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

That's cool actually, thanks for the tip.

And yeah, Hirschi. I'm reading about them now...cool stuff.

 

[Vossyrus]

based on his writings he's changed a lot as a person and this to me implies he will have changed as an artist as well. whether that's a good thing remains to be seen but i think it nullifies this particular argument of yours.

I'm sure he's changed as a person but I don't think this nullifies anything. Everyone changes over time and if anything, music has probably taken a backseat in his life because of many changes. How much access has he even had to real instruments? It's not like he's been in prison writing music constantly and actually progressing as a musician the past 15 years. What indications are there, that would imply Varg is going to revolutionize the genre once again? To be honest, I don't think he even has the slightest care to either, and it's not like he intended this to begin with - hell, he doesn't even like some of the music he's written that's praised by so many fans.

"The future albums, if I ever record anything, will as far as I can tell sound much like the old albums, whether I like it or not, because I am incapable of making music that doesn't sound rather "burzumic". I fear it might not be too original or different from old Burzum, as I wanted it to be..."

Optimistic enough?

i also think some people have a skewed idea of what constitutes revolutionising a genre. i agree with that bitter nutcase cynical in that i think burzum breaks through far more overarching boundaries than anything else in the genre ever has, and he anticipates so much of what came after in so many ways. HLTO in particular holds so much within it. that's why part of me wants to say that what you're saying is a BM version of 'if shakespeare came back today it's not like he'd put out anything relevant'.

HLTO was revolutionary for it's time no doubt and impacted the genre immensely for years to follow but still, you, Cynical and so many Burzum nuthuggers are living like it's still 1993. If Darkthrone released another "Transilvanian Hunger" or if Emperor reunited it wouldn't do anything to revolutionize the genre. And how about Mayhem's most recent album?

 

[waif]

The Norwegian justice system is too lenient... yet its recidivism rate is close to zero, while the U.S., which has the harshest first-world justice system, also has the highest recidivism rate?

Do you realize the absurdity of what you're saying?

I'm well aware that Norway's social situation is significantly better than ours.
Of course, you realize that if you want to pick this apart it comes down to society - many/most American criminals are blacks who live in a poor society that glamorizes crime, while in Norway exactly the opposite is true.

Anyhow, I'm not saying their system as a whole is flawed, but rather that they aren't prepared to deal with crimes as serious as this because it just doesn't happen there.

 

[Cynical]

Did I say it would revolutionize the genre? Did ANYONE say that?

It would still be a huge event, since if he really does pick up right from where he left off, it'll still be the best album the genre has seen in over a decade, even if it doesn't stretch the aesthetic boundaries of the genre.