Varg Vikernes: "I Am Ready For Society".

[Vossyrus]

Black metal should never be extremely popular or known, because it will definitely result in even more horrible bands than there is now.

You can make that argument about any style of music that isn't popular. The only difference is that black metal is a genre that prides itself on being underground or obscure for-sake-of being obscure - it isn't better than any other genre and it's is a lot more 'accessible' than it's thought to be. Not to mention popularity is increasing all the time, and considerably within the last few years.

Also, don't you find it rather ironic that diehard fans, who are so opposed to the genre gaining any attention, spend plenty of time discussing the latest, most obscure kvlt bands online thus promoting interest in the genre? Just had to rant, I'm tired of the kvlt mentality...


As for Varg, I thought he said he was more likely to make an album that was in the vein of "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss"? Whatever the case, I doubt Varg will make another black metal album. I wouldn't be surprised if he was disgusted by the fact that so many bands had blatantly ripped off his syle of music to this extent and for that, decided against doing so - similar to his shift of opinion on the genre years ago.

 

[SouthernTrendkill]

Varg seems to change his mind a lot. And didn't he once call his old music just typical old heavy metal? To him maybe the new material sounds like Filosofem or Hvis Lyset Tar Oss but I think the creator's relationship to the material is very different from that of the general public, it may sound very different than that to us.

Sitting in jail for a couple of decades gives one a lot of time to fester and think about music, so I think the next album he comes out with could be really good. I haven't heard the ones he made while actually in jail, but once being freed that opens up the oppurtinities extensively. I think something amazing could come next. I don't expect that, but given his past achievments...

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

I think the creator's relationship to the material is very different from that of the general public, it may sound very different than that to us.

Absolutely!

 

[genocide roach]

i dont think varg will create anything groundbreaking if he ever makes a new album. unless varg has been hanging out with the guys in negura bunget and blut aus nord
~gR~

 

[no country for old wainds]

i think it'd be really interesting to see what someone who's been isolated from over a decade of metal can come up with

 

[genocide roach]

i doubt he's isolated from metal. he certainly isnt isolated from society, given the norwegian prison system's re-introduction programs. if he wanted metal, he can get it on any of his trips to town.

however, a prison experience might be inspiration. but perhaps not a good one... look at reinkaos
~gR~

 

[Omni]

i dont think varg will create anything groundbreaking if he ever makes a new album. unless varg has been hanging out with the guys in negura bunget and blut aus nord
~gR~

Those aren't the only black metal bands that are good anymore, and Burzum is better than both of them combined.



Also, Vossyrus, I'm not going to reply to that because it's long and stupid, and I already stated my opinion so you can just read the post you quoted again and act like this paragraph is me repeating it.

 

[genocide roach]

well, i never suggested they were the only good bands. just a couple of examples. and i would disagree that burzum is better, but that is subjective. the real argument is can varg be progressive on a new album, and whether or not you like burzun more than negura bunget has no bearing

and i hope that made sense, cuz im drunk.

edit: after reading it a few times, it does make sense. proof that while drunk, i can still make sense. but that doesnt make a difference for this argument...
~gR~

 

[Vossyrus]

In all honesty, a new Burzum album would hardly be relevant in today's black metal scene and I am skeptical as to whether or not it would even be good. I don't see much reason to assume it would progress much further than any of his past releases. Early black metal albums are largely significant for the time of which they were released, so another "Filosofem" or "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss" would not have the same importance as something like mentioned, Negură Bunget or Blut Aus Nord (whether people like those bands or not). The majority of the expectations regarding Burzum and the matter are unrealistic.

Also, Vossyrus, I'm not going to reply to that because it's long and stupid, and I already stated my opinion so you can just read the post you quoted again and act like this paragraph is me repeating it.

The post wasn't directed solely at you, and I'm sorry if it was too long for you. Stupidity was best reflected in the comment you posted.

 

[Omni]

Not really, since it was pretty obvious that you missed the point of what I was saying entirely.

 

[Vossyrus]

Not really, since it was pretty obvious that you missed the point of what I was saying entirely.

Like I said the post wasn't directly entirely at you.

 

[Vossyrus]

The part that was definitely a response to what I said clearly missed the point of what I was saying. I didn't read anything past that part because it was clear that you didn't understand what I was saying and I found your response to be rather silly.

I used a part of your post to comment on the mentality of many black metal fans...? And of course it was a bit silly, it's hard to talk about such things seriously.

 

[no country for old wainds]

In all honesty, a new Burzum album would hardly be relevant in today's black metal scene and I am skeptical as to whether or not it would even be good. I don't see much reason to assume it would progress much further than any of his past releases. Early black metal albums are largely significant for the time of which they were released, so another "Filosofem" or "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss" would not have the same importance as something like mentioned, Negură Bunget or Blut Aus Nord (whether people like those bands or not). The majority of the expectations regarding Burzum and the matter are unrealistic.

if he just puts out a clone of HLTO or filosofem then yeah i agree, but he has no history of creative stagnation so to me your expectations are just as unrealistic. furthermore HLTO is fucking timelessly 'relevant' and with that on his track record varg has way more chance of putting out something 'significant' today than BAN and bunget ever have.

 

[Mort Divine]

yeah, no

 

[Vossyrus]

if he just puts out a clone of HLTO or filosofem then yeah i agree, but he has no history of creative stagnation so to me your expectations are just as unrealistic. furthermore HLTO is fucking timelessly 'relevant' and with that on his track record varg has way more chance of putting out something 'significant' today than BAN and bunget ever have.

I'm not saying he will release a clone of his previous albums, he has only indicated that a new album would likely be similar to those. He's been in prison for quite a long time so I can't imagine he's really progressed as a musician. The scene itself has moved on and developed over the years and some boundaries have been pushed. An album like HLTO was significant back then, but an album like that would not be today. I'm not saying that that specific album isn't important today, but I am simply stressing it's importance during the time that it was released. If he was to release another album in the vein of HLTO, it would not do much for the scene and certainly not to the expectation of many that it would revolutionize the genre. To me, it is an unrealistic expectation that it will.

 

[Cynical]

I'm not saying he will release a clone of his previous albums, he has only indicated that a new album would likely be similar to those. He's been in prison for quite a long time so I can't imagine he's really progressed as a musician. The scene itself has moved on and developed over the years and some boundaries have been pushed. An album like HLTO was significant back then, but an album like that would not be today. I'm not saying that that specific album isn't important today, but I am simply stressing it's importance during the time that it was released. If he was to release another album in the vein of HLTO, it would not do much for the scene and certainly not to the expectation of many that it would revolutionize the genre. To me, it is an unrealistic expectation that it will.

You're a fucking retard. The black metal scene has yet to create anything nearly as advanced as HLTO, and not for lack of trying. To this day, that album remains the absolute pinnacle of black metal by a HUGE margin, and if Varg releases HLTO part II, while it may not be revolutionary, it'll still be of huge importance, because it'll absolutely slaughter anything released in the last 15 years.

 

[genocide roach]

i disagree. in my opinion, there are TONS of albums that have done better
~gR~

 

[Vossyrus]

You're a fucking retard. The black metal scene has yet to create anything nearly as advanced as HLTO, and not for lack of trying. To this day, that album remains the absolute pinnacle of black metal by a HUGE margin, and if Varg releases HLTO part II, while it may not be revolutionary, it'll still be of huge importance, because it'll absolutely slaughter anything released in the last 15 years.

HLTO is a great album. Whether or not you feel that any good black metal albums have been released since is your opinion, and the quality of any given album is undeniably subjective. I don't think it is nearly as superior to other black metal albums as you are making it out to be.

 

[Alteredmindeath]

I doubt the next Burzum album will be any good anyway, Varg is an old fart now.

 

[Omni]

Varg isn't even 40 yet. He's definitely not old.