Varg Vikerness Political Prisoner

According to Wikipedia, some of the churches Varg burned were built over former pagan burial grounds or sites of importance. Doesn't it make sense that someone who resented Judeo-Christian presence in a traditionally pagan land would want to remove monuments that stood as symbols of this presence?
 
Demilich said:
According to Wikipedia, some of the churches Varg burned were built over former pagan burial grounds or sites of importance. Doesn't it make sense that someone who resented Judeo-Christian presence in a traditionally pagan land would want to remove monuments that stood as symbols of this presence?
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yes, but that doesnt make it right. civilisations throughout the centuries have destroyed structures and terrain of cultural importance. does that mean if i feel strongly enough about aboriginal heritage in australia, i am justified in going and burning down kirribili house? not really. modern society has learnt to treasure and protect its history.
 
MasterOLightning said:
Wrong.
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It can obviously be seen as a symbol of Christianity. My point is that it's so much more than just that.

MasterOLightning said:
Not really.
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Most cases of people setting buildings on fire are taken as an act of a pyromaniac, not a political and religious idealist.

MasterOLightning said:
What? So George Washington's house is more important historically, because it's still here and he's not? You must not have thought this one out.
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Eh. The actions of George Washington had a big impact on American history and his corpse would be of great value if he were mummified, but he weren't and now there is nothing left of him. His house is surely of greater historical value than nothing. Or are you saying he was of great historical value when he was living? :rolleyes:

MasterOLightning said:
You've already been refuted on this one.
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ief_in_god.png/655px-Europe_belief_in_god.png
If 70% of the Norwegian population does not believe in God, I can't see how 89% of them could be considered christians. I was talking about belief, not administration.

MasterOLightning said:
I sincerely doubt that that was the purpose of those Churches, and I doubt that their destruction had that effect.
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Purpose is completely irrelevant. The people who lived 80 000 years ago made sharp objects that was intended for everyday use (hunting, processing of food, etc), but it still works as a window through time everytime someone digs up an ancient object of some sort, no matter what the purpose of the object was.

MasterOLightning said:
This is analogous to that shitty argument that people who can't play music shouldn't be critical of it.
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Being critical is hardly the same as destroying the achievements of the person, against which you are being critical. You could go nail your criticism to the church's door rather than burning it down.

Krigloch cuts yo' grass said:
really? Not sure I believe that.
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It's true. The temples were of course burnt down :)() before the churches were built on the same spot though. It's not rare to find pre-christian runestones inside Scandinavian churches.
 
byrne said:
yes, but that doesnt make it right. civilisations throughout the centuries have destroyed structures and terrain of cultural importance. does that mean if i feel strongly enough about aboriginal heritage in australia, i am justified in going and burning down kirribili house? not really. modern society has learnt to treasure and protect its history.
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oh i don't think it makes it right. makes it understandable, at least to me, as more than just an act of teenage rebellion and boredom.
 
byrne said:
:erk:x6 million.

if you think burning down churches is a good thing, you are a blatant fucking idiot. the amount of charity/social service work churches do is phenomenal. religion is often a crucial part of peoples lives when they dont have much else (aesthetically or whatever it may be) and also, it is a place of reform for a lot of people who would otherwise be a complete burden on society (e.g. idiots who burn down churches).

also churches are not tax havens for the rich, you idiot. i would be naieve to think all churches are clean of cheating tax, but the vast majority would be honest, more so on average than the rest of society.

charity through organised religion has been proven to have a much higher rate of effective donation than any of the other charitable institutions you probably dont support (i assume you are tight and selfish, as well as being stupid). e.g. world vision - less than 70 cents in every dollar you donate, actually goes to the people it is intended to benefit. the st. vincent de paul society or the salvation army see more than 90 cents in the dollar going directly to the cause.
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Very true.

Danallica said:
lol fag
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Hahahaha
 
So these people who say "Burzum sucks" and "Varg is a loser he should rot for ever", do they even know the music and him? Do they know what both represent? Or are these people really as narrow minded and ignorant as they appear to be?
 
The Bringer said:
So these people who say "Burzum sucks" and "Varg is a loser he should rot for ever", do they even know the music and him? Do they know what both represent? Or are these people really as narrow minded and ignorant as they appear to be?
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I know Burzum's music. Saying he's a retard is not necessary saying his music sucks. Idiots can sometimes make good music too. And appreciating Varg as a person is rarely a sign of broadmindedness.

Teh Grimace said:
they automatically = >>> lazy bastards behind a computer.
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You can't use an equal sign followed by a ">", especially not three of them.
 
Jrgen said:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ief_in_god.png/655px-Europe_belief_in_god.png
If 70% of the Norwegian population does not believe in God, I can't see how 89% of them could be considered christians. I was talking about belief, not administration.
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''Religion in Norway is overwhelmingly Protestant (Evangelical-Lutheran) with 89% belonging to the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Norway which is an established religion. The Norwegians, like all of the peoples of Scandinavia, were pagans believing in Norse mythology; the Sámi having a shamanistic religion. Due to the efforts of Christian missionaries, Norway was gradually Christianised in a process starting at approximately 1000 AD and which was substantially finished by 1150AD. Prior to the Reformation, Norwegians were part of the Catholic Church with the conversion to Protestantism occurring in 1536. Islam is now the second largest religion due to recent migration trends although the census shows that there are more people with no religious beliefs.''
 
LadyValerie said:
''Religion in Norway is overwhelmingly Protestant (Evangelical-Lutheran) with 89% belonging to the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Norway which is an established religion. The Norwegians, like all of the peoples of Scandinavia, were pagans believing in Norse mythology; the Sámi having a shamanistic religion. Due to the efforts of Christian missionaries, Norway was gradually Christianised in a process starting at approximately 1000 AD and which was substantially finished by 1150AD. Prior to the Reformation, Norwegians were part of the Catholic Church with the conversion to Protestantism occurring in 1536. Islam is now the second largest religion due to recent migration trends although the census shows that there are more people with no religious beliefs.''
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Most Norwegians might officially be members of the Christian church. That does however not mean most Norwegians are Christians or religious at all. In Sweden for example, you used to be born a member of the church, but could leave it at any time you wished. That means we have loads of people who are officially Christians but have never actually went to church. Since it doesn't really affect them in any significant way, few decide to actually leave the church.
 
Teh Grimace said:
if someone believes that churches should be burned, and they burn fucking churces, they automatically = >>> lazy bastards behind a computer.

what did you do today? go to work? eat a bagel?
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If someone truly believes that hardcore fellating fashionista druggie fuck-wits should be stabbed to death, should they do it?

If they should, by your logic, send me your home address. I'm on my way.

EDIT: Putting awful, half baked ideas into action does not make you better than a lazy bastard sat behind a computer, as a matter of fact.
 
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