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Very sad......
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There have been significantly more attacks on American soil by lunatic Americans than by lunatic foreigners; it's blind, violent, and ignorant idealism like metal71's and people like him that is far more of a threat than Daniel Gildenlow could ever be.
AngraRULES
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You know what? That was absolutely the post of the fucking year. Nobody can ever come close to that. Everyone that have been attacking Daniel G. in this forum just got owned big time.
I am SO HAPPY that he mentioned the threat made to my country, Brazil, by the USA. An embargo because we said we'd do the same thing to your people. When we started taking pictures of EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN CITIZEN that came into our country, like the US did before to every other country, guess what happens? The USA government got super pissed at us, saying we didn't have the right to do that. Sautherom said something that is very true... You can do something to somebody but you do not want the same person to do the same thing to you?
Some of the comments in this thread attacking Daniel Gildenlow were simply based on falling back on emotional stabs than actual logic. When I say that, I'm talking about 9/11. It was one of the most horrific events that have ever happened to humanity, I understand. I had people that I knew who perished in those attacks. But it seems that all the US and most of its people can do now is use that as an excuse to act the way you do today. TIME TO MOVE ON! It happened and there's nothing you can do about it now.
People say we're dishonoring the ones who lost their lives in that event when we criticize the efforts of the US government is doing in the name of "freedom". I believe that an even bigger tragedy is how that event is being used to manipulate people into signing away their civil liberties.
That is what is TRULY DISHONORING to the victims of 9/11! CONSIDER THAT FOR GOD'S SAKE!
To Daniel's post, Amen. I would much rather stand by my beliefs and idelas like he is doing even if I'm losing a lot of money and being seen as an idiot by some people in the USA than being one of these people who attack them, who are probably being seen as idiots not only by him, one of the most intelligent people on Earth, but by a lot of other people in the whole fucking world. And to me, the world matters a lot more than only one country, no matter how important this country is.
I am SO HAPPY that he mentioned the threat made to my country, Brazil, by the USA. An embargo because we said we'd do the same thing to your people. When we started taking pictures of EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN CITIZEN that came into our country, like the US did before to every other country, guess what happens? The USA government got super pissed at us, saying we didn't have the right to do that. Sautherom said something that is very true... You can do something to somebody but you do not want the same person to do the same thing to you?
Some of the comments in this thread attacking Daniel Gildenlow were simply based on falling back on emotional stabs than actual logic. When I say that, I'm talking about 9/11. It was one of the most horrific events that have ever happened to humanity, I understand. I had people that I knew who perished in those attacks. But it seems that all the US and most of its people can do now is use that as an excuse to act the way you do today. TIME TO MOVE ON! It happened and there's nothing you can do about it now.
People say we're dishonoring the ones who lost their lives in that event when we criticize the efforts of the US government is doing in the name of "freedom". I believe that an even bigger tragedy is how that event is being used to manipulate people into signing away their civil liberties.
That is what is TRULY DISHONORING to the victims of 9/11! CONSIDER THAT FOR GOD'S SAKE!
To Daniel's post, Amen. I would much rather stand by my beliefs and idelas like he is doing even if I'm losing a lot of money and being seen as an idiot by some people in the USA than being one of these people who attack them, who are probably being seen as idiots not only by him, one of the most intelligent people on Earth, but by a lot of other people in the whole fucking world. And to me, the world matters a lot more than only one country, no matter how important this country is.
Kenneth R.
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I want to hear what metal71 thinks about the US threatening Brazil with a trade embargo when they tried the same policy. Is that selfish and elitist, or what?
Kenneth R.
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ABSOLUTELY. i'm sick of seeing "freedom" stickers on cars. sick of seeing flags and mottos with giant bald eagles plastered everywhere i look. why? because these same people are the ones who sit in front of the television each night to watch the latest dramas, follow the latest fashions, believe that every word C.N.N. says is true, and the same for our deceptive (like all others) government. they take no action and no free-thought of their own, and they have the audacity to call themselves advocates of freedom and the free world.AngraRULES said:
the government is not freedom.
it's not "we the congress"
it's not "we the president"
it's not "we the media"
it's "we the PEOPLE"
but the people no longer care, so whatever freedoms are lost are their own forfeit. in 1776 the PEOPLE stood up for their rights, not the government. the founding government was of the people and by the people, to serve the people.
we now have a government that serves the state, of the state, and by the state. we now live in a world where the brand name, "America" matters more than its citizens, where the flag means more than the names of those who died to raise it.
to this i say, people: think for yourself. people: fight for your freedom, which has been so deceptively stolen from you in its own name.
AngraRULES
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jaimek said:
Very well pointed. It seems that most people here (including metal71) fail to consider this fact. I am more afraid of him for what his opinion of Daniel's point of view and his reaction than the foreigners that come to the country, legally or ilegally.
This really is a very funny thread. The posts from both sides, ripping at each other, just goes to show why the world is so disfunctional.
Personally, I just think it is insane that he let a fingerprint, stop him from living his life. As I said. Insanity.....as is the political ranting. Someday you will all learn it's mearly a game. Learn to play on a small scale. Learn to make it work for you, not against. It's not that hard.
Personally, I just think it is insane that he let a fingerprint, stop him from living his life. As I said. Insanity.....as is the political ranting. Someday you will all learn it's mearly a game. Learn to play on a small scale. Learn to make it work for you, not against. It's not that hard.
AngraRULES
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He is not letting a fingerprint stop him from living his life, dude. It was his choice, it's nothing that he's being forced to do.
I think changing the country's lives to a neverending state of fear, controlled by the what the government says in the name of the nation rather than in the name of its PEOPLE (that's what matters) is insanity to me.
I think changing the country's lives to a neverending state of fear, controlled by the what the government says in the name of the nation rather than in the name of its PEOPLE (that's what matters) is insanity to me.
Kenneth R.
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i agree, and "playing along" just makes you a pawn, no more than a name, or better yet, a number.
got a class to head to, but rest assured, i'll be back.
got a class to head to, but rest assured, i'll be back.
Yngvai X
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Silent Song said:
"I am not a number...I am a free man!"
Sorry, that just popped into my head when I read that
AngraRULES
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FUCK David G. and his post! I like his band but if he doesn't want to come here, FUCK him! These are the rules set up for tourists to come here and if he don't like it, FUCK him! He don't have to come here. We were the ones attacked on 9/11, and I am not any extemist either. I think the patriot law is very intrusive to the United States of Americans lives, but these are not citizens. They do not live here and they don't have to visit here. If you don't like it, don't come here! Does anybody here remember 9/11/2001? Think about it! This not about some band wanting to tour! I don't want to see our freedoms taken away, but this seems very insignificant to the citizens of the U.S.A.!
chibitotoro
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Barking Pumpkin said:
A bunch of radical muslims who killed 3000 or so innocent Americans a few years back sure stood up for their beliefs. People need to stop bitching about standing up for ideals and get some logic into their heads. The U.S. is making efforts to restrict foreigners coming into our country because lots of foreigners really hate this country right now - it's just common sense to try and keep the worst ones out. And don't tell me that there are lots of American terrorists already living here, because we all know that. You think the government is doing nothing about them, sitting idly by while it shuts down its borders and glares smugly at the rest of the world? Give me a break.
I also really don't buy this crap about Daniel not wanting to go through with the fingerprinting because fingerprints are so sacred where he comes from. That's just a simple cultural difference, and if he can't accept cultural differences then he doesn't deserve to leave his homeland. I travel abroad all the time, and am constantly making sacrifices to my normal habits and altercations to my behavior, in order to fit in. When I go to Japan, and am served some food I really hate by my host family, I eat it, because it would be devastatingly rude to not eat it. I know that doesn't necessarily hold the same weight as giving up one's fingerprint when that is something that one is supposed to charish the most, but the principle is the same. Fingerprints aren't sacred in this country, and if you can't adjust to that then fine, buddy - your loss.
If you like America enough, it shouldn't matter that you have to register your identity at the border. I love Japan very much, and have accepted it as almost a second home to me. If the Japanese government decided to take my picture, fingerprint me, take a retinal scan, sample my DNA, or ask me to pee in a cup just to get into the country then I would do it without hesitation. Ideals be damned, cultural differences be damned - I love Japan, I love its people, and I'm going to do whatever they deem necessary in order to get into the country and see my friends again. I also have a Japanese friend who's living and working in this country under a green card, and she has told me on multiple occasions that even though it's annoying to wait in line at immigration for so long, and to get her photo taken and all that, it's worth it because she loves America.
So, I think Daniel should ponder what's more important: protecting his "ideals", which are born of abstract thought and are no more valid than the ideals of metal71 or Osama bin Laden; or, doing what it takes to enter America so he can tour, support his band and his album, and thank his American fans who have been loyal album purchasers for years.
P.S. I have an American flag sticker on my car. If you see me driving on the road, will you hate me? Will you assume I'm just another uneducated American who supports everything his country does without thought? Will you shake your head and say "Christ, it's people like him who are pissing on the ideals of the Founding Fathers, destroying what made America great"? If you would - and based purely on what you two (you know who you are) have posted thus far I have to believe you would - then you need to ask yourselves, who is being unreasonable here?
AngraRULES
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Oh my God, here we go again....
If you're talking about me and Silent Song... you can basically say our nicknames because I am not ashamed of admitting what I said. You don't need to say "you know who you are". We already know we know that, alright?
I know there is a lot of people out there who know a lot about this subject, understand everything that happens. You may be one of them. You may not be the uneducated person that's just following what to me seems like a pattern. Only becoming that patriotic after 9-11, like in sort of a fashion way. There's a lot of people that blindly support their nation without even asking "why are they doing that?". Again, you are probably not one of them but there's thousands of those.
I dont hate anyone that has an American flag in their cars. I seriously do not hate anyone. I do hate the terrorists that took the towers down. I do hate Osama Bin Laden. I also hate to see such a great fucking country getting mislead by their deceptive media and government. That's very upsetting.
If you're talking about me and Silent Song... you can basically say our nicknames because I am not ashamed of admitting what I said. You don't need to say "you know who you are". We already know we know that, alright?
I know there is a lot of people out there who know a lot about this subject, understand everything that happens. You may be one of them. You may not be the uneducated person that's just following what to me seems like a pattern. Only becoming that patriotic after 9-11, like in sort of a fashion way. There's a lot of people that blindly support their nation without even asking "why are they doing that?". Again, you are probably not one of them but there's thousands of those.
I dont hate anyone that has an American flag in their cars. I seriously do not hate anyone. I do hate the terrorists that took the towers down. I do hate Osama Bin Laden. I also hate to see such a great fucking country getting mislead by their deceptive media and government. That's very upsetting.
Silent Song said:i agree, and "playing along" just makes you a pawn, no more than a name, or better yet, a number.
got a class to head to, but rest assured, i'll be back.
"Playing along" is different than playing the game and making it work for you and the people and community around you. It can be played...and can be won.....been there, done it (granted, local...small time stuff, but stuff that mattered to a community).
AngraRULES
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King Lek, you have to keep in mind that I know for a fact that not every person that lives here in the US lives under this state of fear. What I tried to say is that after 9/11 everything that is talked about here is terrorism. I've seen people out in the streets suspicious of some middle eastern people wondering if they would be terrorists. Sometimes somebody leaves a freaking backpack by itself in some corner by accident, full of clothes (like it happened here in my town), and the whole fucking town stops because they thought it was a possible act of terrorism.
I live only a few minutes outside NYC. If there's one single place in this country that should be concerned about getting attacked, this place is NYC. I live in absolutely no fear, I enjoy my life and I didn't allow some fucking shit eater terrorist change my way of living.
It's like "Who's gonna be deciding your life, how you live it and your future? You or some shitface terrorist?
I live only a few minutes outside NYC. If there's one single place in this country that should be concerned about getting attacked, this place is NYC. I live in absolutely no fear, I enjoy my life and I didn't allow some fucking shit eater terrorist change my way of living.
It's like "Who's gonna be deciding your life, how you live it and your future? You or some shitface terrorist?
This topic has just want me to say FUCK! I love my country,but I really don't like what it's doing to take my freedoms away. I am libertarian so I am not for the current administration or against. They have done good things and bad. Also, everbody blames Bush, it isn't just him. There are hundreds of elected officials in office that have done this, not just him. Don't just blame him! If you don't like it, change it and vote! I do want to say that for visitors, tourists, and illegals coming here I am sorry, but this is the way it has to be now. We let our guard down and now some of you must pay the price for what some cowards did to innocent citizens of our country. If you don't like it, then please visit someplace else. This is not meant to be harsh, it is just the way it has to be. It really is to bad it has to be this way. 
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